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Thread: [Melb] Samsung INR18650-25r Cells

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    D10.2.3 – Lithium batteries
    Australia Post accepts lithium batteries and equipment containing lithium
    batteries for carriage by surface transport only within Australia via its
    parcels service provided that the following requirements are met.
    The amount of lithium in the battery is not more than the minimum amount
    required by the Australian Code for the Transport of Dangerous Goods
    by Road and Rail (the Code) to qualify for exception to the definition of
    dangerous goods for the purpose of the Code. This is an aggregate of
    2 grams / lithium metal (non-rechargeable) battery
    or 100 Watt-Hour /
    lithium ion (Li-ion rechargeable) batteries.

    http://auspost.com.au/media/document...de-Dec2014.pdf

    Given that each battery appears to have more than 2 grams of lithium per battery, Auspost is out. They can be sent by Pack and Send, but they charge an arm and a leg for it.

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    If people are happy to put up their post code, happy to get some quotes from Pack and Send - It may be less for smaller amounts? (the others I have been sending have been 120 cells +).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurkin View Post
    This is an aggregate of
    2 grams / lithium metal (non-rechargeable) battery
    .
    These cells are not this type
    or 100 Watt-Hour /
    lithium ion (Li-ion rechargeable) batteries.
    They are this type. I assure you 8 batteries do not provide 100 Watt hour.

    Let's not confuse our pots and pans.

    The 120 cell packs you've been sending exceed the limit, so you've been doing the right thing using courier
    Last edited by Northerner; 06-09-15 at 12:03 PM.
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    They are this type. I assure you 8 batteries do not provide 100 Watt hour.
    9whr x 8 = 72 whrs. Agreed.

    However, it also refers to meeting the Australian Code for the Transport of Dangerous Goods
    by Road and Rail (the Code). It needs to meet their definition of minimum lithium content to meet the exception and it reads as and, rather than or there.

    (from above)

    The amount of lithium in the battery is not more than the minimum amount
    required by the Australian Code for the Transport of Dangerous Goods
    by Road and Rail (the Code) to qualify for exception to the definition of
    dangerous goods for the purpose of the Code.


    From the code re the exemption:-

    CHAPTER 3.3 - SPECIAL PROVISIONS APPLICABLE TO CERTAIN
    ARTICLES OR SUBSTANCES
    3.3.1 INTRODUCTION
    When Column 6 of the Dangerous Goods List indicates that a special provision is
    relevant to a substance or article, the meaning and requirements of that special
    provision are as set forth below.

    ...

    188 Cells and batteries offered for transport are not subject to other provisions of this
    Code if they meet the following:
    (a) For a lithium metal or lithium alloy cell, the lithium content is not more than 1 g [FAIL, based on the MSDS sheet, .2 x 44g = 8.8g of possible lithium content],
    and for a lithium-ion cell, the Watt-hour rating is not more than 20 Wh [9wh PASS]; and....

    http://www.ntc.gov.au/Media/Reports/...0A43E6D6B).pdf

    the quote on Auspost is actually the following paragraph (b)

    (b) For a lithium metal or lithium alloy battery the aggregate lithium content is not
    more than 2 g, and for a lithium-ion battery, the Watt-hour rating is not more
    than 100 Wh. Lithium ion batteries subject to this provision must be marked
    with the Watt-hour rating on the outside case, except those manufactured
    before
    1 January 2009; and .....

    which has more relevance to assembled packs, rather than individual cells.

    I cannot see how it is possible to send these cells, at all, other than as dangerous goods - which is what I would be doing via Pack and Send. It is not possible to legally do this through Auspost.

    I am happy to be corrected if this is incorrect?

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    They are not lithium metal or alloy cells... they are lithium-ion cells which contain lithium salts. Only a very small part of li-ion cells are actually lithium. Everyone else posts these batteries around in small quantities and the post office will accept them if you declare them.

    Up to you mate, I'm trying to be helpful rather than prove you wrong.
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    I understand you are trying to do the right thing but please be rest assured we are not trying to steer you in the wrong
    direction just to save a buck. Trying to bypass restrictions is not going to help our cause.

    As vapers, we deal with this all the time and are generally aware of the regulations surrounding these things.

    Australia Post will happily send a few of these batteries domestically (by road)

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    The bats i buy from reputable stores allways get sent by parcel post or express,no big deal.
    RIP VP

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    If I can work something out with you for pick up in Mulgrave around lunchtime I will take 8 from please. I might not be able to manage tomorrow or Tuesday. Not sure I need 8, will no doubt one day.

    Happy to pay postage if that is easier, by the sounds Aus post snail road mail is OK, but I have not purchased these batts before so don't really know. If you have cases for 2 batts that would be great.
    Last edited by Cams; 06-09-15 at 02:59 PM.
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    Hi all,

    I won't posting any cells around via Auspost.

    If you have someone in Melbourne willing to sort the postage/freight for you, happy to drop them off to them.

    Cams - no worries, we can meet up sometime this week when your ready.
    Last edited by Lurkin; 06-09-15 at 07:15 PM.

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    Hey Lurkin, I am interested in grabbing 8 if shipping to Sydney (post code 2015) will be around $15

 

 
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