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    Expression of Interest for Sony VCT5

    Hey guys, I am relatively new to the scene, and saw this section thought I'd put forward an idea see how many people would be interested.. I was looking at bulk buying a large quantity of Sony VTC5 batteries through DHGate or Alibaba and wondering how many people (specifically those in Perth) would be interested in getting some and how many. After doing a bit of research it looks like you can buy authentic Sony VTC5's for between $3-5 a pop depending on quantity, and would require purchasing at least 100 to make it worthwhile.

    If anybody is interested in this let me know your location and how many you'd be interested in buying.

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    What assurance would you have that they are authentic?
    Lots of re wrapped stuff on Alibaba masquerading as the real deal
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    Well I probably would go through DHGate, and the ones I've shortlisted all have a good reputation with 1000's of transactions and 50-100+ reviews which seem to validate their authenticity, plus two out of three openly offer to send samples free of charge prior to purchasing. Not sure how I'd check the 'authenticity' I could check the amperage and discharge, not sure if you can verify the product codes with Sony?

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    HD Gate is no better. It has all the same vendors.

    The last 2 companies that I have dealt with that specialise in vape gear have been a bit weird when it comes to selling cells.
    One would only send them in a separate order and not with the other stuff I was looking at getting....and told me it would be
    very expensive, and the other would initially only sell me one cell for every device I buy and only ship it inside the device.
    When I asked why and whats changed they didn't answer but I looked it up and it seems DHL have changed their policy at the
    beginning of the year. Maybe that's what it is.

    Long story short, If you are going to do it, I think you would have to go with a company that specialises in batteries only like
    IMREN or someone like that, but I've looked into this myself. You also need to factor in postage and exchange rates and when
    you do you will find you are probably better off buying authentics from Fasttech or something.

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    alternatively, you could PM the user lurkin and ask where did he get his cells from. He managed to get the samsung 25rs and it's legit. He initially bought it for other uses but realized that we vapors use that particular cell. take a look at his thread and ask

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tara View Post
    HD Gate is no better. It has all the same vendors.

    The last 2 companies that I have dealt with that specialise in vape gear have been a bit weird when it comes to selling cells.
    One would only send them in a separate order and not with the other stuff I was looking at getting....and told me it would be
    very expensive, and the other would initially only sell me one cell for every device I buy and only ship it inside the device.
    When I asked why and whats changed they didn't answer but I looked it up and it seems DHL have changed their policy at the
    beginning of the year. Maybe that's what it is.

    Long story short, If you are going to do it, I think you would have to go with a company that specialises in batteries only like
    IMREN or someone like that, but I've looked into this myself. You also need to factor in postage and exchange rates and when
    you do you will find you are probably better off buying authentics from Fasttech or something.
    Shipping wouldn't be an issue, most offer it free if you purchase over a certain amount. If it came down to it you could get it shipped by sea for nothing surely. I've looked at IMREN, they don't do the sony batteries.

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    If you are buying off Alibaba or DH Gate from a Chinese trading company I would bet my left nut they would be fake re-wraps of old laptop batteries.

    Even well meaning vendors have been caught out by this before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phukkin View Post
    Shipping wouldn't be an issue, most offer it free if you purchase over a certain amount. If it came down to it you could get it shipped by sea for nothing surely. I've looked at IMREN, they don't do the sony batteries.
    Most don't offer free shipping. Not in my experience. The more you buy the less they make per item. They are not going
    to fork out express shipping on top of that. Don't know where you are getting this info from. If they do say they offer free
    shipping the cost will be made up somewhere else.

    These guys are wholesalers remember. They are usually dealing with vendors who place huge orders. They will sell to pretty
    much anyone but they are not going to bend over backwards for an order of 100 cells

    IMREN sell all the popular brands. I have their November catalogue right here in front of me.
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    Buying cells isn't really a game for small volume. 100 cells is a lot for vaping, but a tiny amount compared other industries. It will be a challenge to get a really decent deal at that amount. To give you an idea, to deal with Samsung direct you are looking at 10,000 cells ordered and paid from Samsung minimum... its commercial amounts of money, not personal DIY.

    If its really cheap at that amount, it's either the shipping is illegal (and they could be seized in transit by transporters or customs), the cells are fake (see youtube) or are old technology and aren't worth it (VTCs have only 2600 mah capacity... cell technology has moved forward since my last order).

    Not trying to rubbish you, if you find a deal and have the funds spare, go for it. But if its from China from an untested vendor (by yourself, not a third party testimony) be prepared to lose your money. If you can't afford to act this way, buy off someone local. It looks easy, but finding a decent offshore source is an expensive, risky thing to do. I will not refer you to my source - the scale much higher than what you are looking at.

    As for testing, I would be focusing on testing capacity. This involves a systematic means of discharging and charging the battery. RC gear is typically the more automated means of doing this, but be careful that it should have USB logging (not essential but really nice to have) and most of the discharge rates aren't great (takes longer and you can't really push the cell). Further, Hobbyking often advertising USB logging, but when it turns up the USB port is just empty. RC gear is usually designed to be cheaply made and less accurate than their commercial equivalents. I got help measuring mine from experienced RC guys, I bought and sent back numerous chargers to HK as they were all misadvertised crap. Hoping to find time to put together an arduino capacity tester over Christmas. I want to be able to provide test data before I offer anything this time round.

    Testing cells that you suspect are dodgy is like pulling out the pin of a hand grenade and wondering if it will go off. These cells literally store energy, if released incorrectly it's a great way to make a fire! Please be careful. Remember, you can test all you want, but the real assurance is having a dealer you trust to provide you with genuine products to start with.... otherwise the ambulance is definitely at the bottom of the hill.

    I will be likely to be doing another cell order in late January/early February. The next round of cells will be higher capacity with (lower than 25r) but still very respectable decent discharge. Thinking probably 30Q or MJ1.. undecided and it's unplanned at this stage.
    Last edited by Lurkin; 05-12-15 at 08:20 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurkin View Post
    Buying cells isn't really a game for small volume. 100 cells is a lot for vaping, but a tiny amount compared other industries. It will be a challenge to get a really decent deal at that amount. To give you an idea, to deal with Samsung direct you are looking at 10,000 cells ordered and paid from Samsung minimum... its commercial amounts of money, not personal DIY.

    If its really cheap at that amount, it's either the shipping is illegal (and they could be seized in transit by transporters or customs), the cells are fake (see youtube) or are old technology and aren't worth it (VTCs have only 2600 mah capacity... cell technology has moved forward since my last order).

    Not trying to rubbish you, if you find a deal and have the funds spare, go for it. But if its from China from an untested vendor (by yourself, not a third party testimony) be prepared to lose your money. If you can't afford to act this way, buy off someone local. It looks easy, but finding a decent offshore source is an expensive, risky thing to do. I will not refer you to my source - the scale much higher than what you are looking at.

    As for testing, I would be focusing on testing capacity. This involves a systematic means of discharging and charging the battery. RC gear is typically the more automated means of doing this, but be careful that it should have USB logging (not essential but really nice to have) and most of the discharge rates aren't great (takes longer and you can't really push the cell). Further, Hobbyking often advertising USB logging, but when it turns up the USB port is just empty. RC gear is usually designed to be cheaply made and less accurate than their commercial equivalents. I got help measuring mine from experienced RC guys, I bought and sent back numerous chargers to HK as they were all misadvertised crap. Hoping to find time to put together an arduino capacity tester over Christmas. I want to be able to provide test data before I offer anything this time round.

    Testing cells that you suspect are dodgy is like pulling out the pin of a hand grenade and wondering if it will go off. These cells literally store energy, if released incorrectly it's a great way to make a fire! Please be careful. Remember, you can test all you want, but the real assurance is having a dealer you trust to provide you with genuine products to start with.... otherwise the ambulance is definitely at the bottom of the hill.

    I will be likely to be doing another cell order in late January/early February. The next round of cells will be higher capacity with (lower than 25r) but still very respectable decent discharge. Thinking probably 30Q or MJ1.. undecided and it's unplanned at this stage.
    No you make some valid points and after doing a bit more research I can see the negatives, particularly with the Sony VTC5's. If I were to actually do it it would like be a more readily available battery like the 25R. I know I won't be getting a phenomenal price at those quantities, I just thought it'd be significantly better than the prices in Australia, and if enough people were on board it would make it worthwhile.

 

 
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