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    Quote Originally Posted by Snidely_Whiplash View Post
    Um Fab.
    You are planning to post, little plastic snap lock bags ?!?
    Full of white powder ?!?
    Right after you've received a delivery from China ?!?

    Me & the drug squad, can foresee a possible problem with this.
    I like a little ice in my drinks, in my vape I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disley View Post
    I like a little ice in my drinks, in my vape I don't know.
    It's the essential ingredient in most menthols, mints, fruit, drink and ice block flavours etc. If you buy premixed juice it's probably already in there. If you DIY you have to buy it and add it. I've had some disappointing and expensive ones.
    Last edited by fabricator4; 17-05-16 at 01:40 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snidely_Whiplash View Post
    Um Fab.
    You are planning to post, little plastic snap lock bags ?!?
    Full of white powder ?!?
    Right after you've received a delivery from China ?!?

    Me & the drug squad, can foresee a possible problem with this.
    You can be pretty sure it will get the once-over and all-clear in customs. Plenty of things come as a white powder.

    If anyone would prefer a padded post pack, registered post, or any other type of container I'm happy to do that at cost.
    Last edited by fabricator4; 16-05-16 at 05:09 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crisscross View Post
    Fab I use koolada in every eliquid. I vape it strong and only add 1%

    So 1ml per 100ml
    500ml of concentrate will make 50 litres of eliquid. We only vape (over estimate for 2 10ml/day) 5 litres a year.

    That's 10 years of concentrate.
    get on board with the Vapocalypse planning XX
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    Quote Originally Posted by muscovyduckling View Post
    get on board with the Vapocalypse planning XX
    I Have still got 200mls of the last lot it got. Only 7years supply ROFL
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    Curious. ..how u go about mixing it up?
    Wouldnt mind a cooler feel to all the fruity diy im doing at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuongluu View Post
    Curious. ..how u go about mixing it up?
    Wouldnt mind a cooler feel to all the fruity diy im doing at the moment.
    It's not hard. You put 1g of crystals and 9g of PG (10%w/w) or 1g of crystals to 9ml of PG (10%w/v) in a container. Warm the container in a hot water bath and shake to mix. Pretty much the same way you mix menthol crystals as far as I can see.

    A bit more information:

    Koolada is menthyl methyl lactate, also known as menthyl lactate. Derived from the same sources as Menthol or synthetic sources. It has a slightly minty flavour.

    WS-3 N-ethyl-p-menthane-3-carboxamide (CAS number 39711-79-0) has a stronger cooling affect and has a very low level minty flavour at 10%.
    I found this description of the cooling affects: Intense lingering cooling trigeminal effect. The cooling sensation slowly but steadily grows to a lingering cooling mouth feel with a slightly camphoraceous and minty character. Descriptions I've found on ECF for using it seem to be saying it has a stronger cooling affect but affects the flavour of the liquids less than menthyl lactate.
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    So its possible to mix with VG instead in the same manner? Just trying to reduce as much PG in my diy due to be being PG sensitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuongluu View Post
    So its possible to mix with VG instead in the same manner? Just trying to reduce as much PG in my diy due to be being PG sensitive.
    WS-3 is not water soluble, and the maximum solubility in PG is 10.7g per 100ml. I can not find any information for the solubility of if in VG, so I suspect it is not, or not to any great degree.

    However..... The reported cooling affect of WS-3 may be up to three times greater than menthyl lactate (Koolada) so you may be able to get way with using a lot less, about 0.5% for a mild cooling affect, and the flavour is more neutral than Koolada too.

    One way of minimising the PG content in a large batch would be to add it first to other PG only ingredients - other flavours, nicotine etc. then warm it to dissolve it.

    Oh and yes, a cooling agent is extremely helpful in a lot of fruit type vapes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crisscross View Post
    I Have still got 200mls of the last lot it got. Only 7years supply ROFL
    WS-3 has more cooling affect than Koolada (menthyl lactate) and less flavour. ;-)

    you know you want to...
    Last edited by fabricator4; 17-05-16 at 02:03 AM.
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