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    Conundrum about mixing 50/50 nic and flavour - 20% flavour must lower nic level

    I have gone to several calculators but they don't seem to take into account 0mg nic flavor which can be 5 -20% of the final mix

    I have 100mg nic juice, which is 100% VG. I want to make 50 VG/50 PG 25mg strength in 100ml batches so I don't have to keep making small bottles.

    Ok simple 25 ml VG nic 100mg, 25 ml VG 0 nic, 50 ml PG 0 nic. Now I have a 50/50 100ml 25mg base.

    But what calculators don't compensate for is the flavour PG % or weakening the strength of the nic level.

    So if I dump 30ml of the 50/50 premixed 25 mg nic into a bottle and add 20% flavour (more PG) won't it lower the nic level as the flavour is 0 nic and also raise the PG level by 20%.

    Does this make sense?

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    if you are using a 50/50 mix of unflavoured it will be 70/30 when you add flavour at 20%. Make a 70%VG 30% PG unflavoured when you add your 20% flavour it will be 50/50. Also increase your nic level by 20% to get your required amount.

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    Yes it will, why not add some direct nic to your 100% pg flavour to get 50mg nic 50/50 pg /vg in your flavour and then just add an equal amount of 50/50 0nic pg vg?
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    Thanks arth_d, yes of course making it a 70/30 mix is the solution, but sometimes the flavour % may vary, it may be only 5% sometimes depending on the intensity of the brand. I have seen people mix in vape stores here in the US and they just bung in the flavour and then the 50/50 of the mg requested, so really you are getting more PG and less nic in this equation!

    So I should really make 30mg 50/50 not 25mg, this also would be dependent on the % of PG flavour to make true 50/50 and I could end up with 28 mg which is too high. Then I guess I would have to fiddle with adding more PG!

    I don't know why the calculators ignore the 0 nic/PG flavour component !

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    Sorry, off topic. T7x I love your signature! I'm still not convinced you're vaping the same stuff as the rest of us though...whatever it is, I want some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T7x View Post
    Yes it will, why not add some direct nic to your 100% pg flavour to get 50mg nic 50/50 pg /vg in your flavour and then just add an equal amount of 50/50 0nic pg vg?
    Another great idea, alas I am not experienced with flavours at present, so I am loath to make up bottles of the stuff with nic, plus I already have a million bottles of stuff already!

    I might try it with small bottle, like 10ml - 2ml flavour 3ml PG 5ml VG - but then the flavour would be diluted so I'd have to put 4 times as much in.

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    I wish the manufacturers of pre made juice stated the PG/VG level on the label, as some liquid I have purchased have been more to my taste than others. I have seen recipes from suppliers that also add distilled water

    At the moment I buy 100% VG and it's gumming up my coils..another thing I have taken on, recoiling, the kanga coil is $3-5 in some stores, I can use three a week, it's more expensive than smoking here $4 a pack!

    I understand the different hit and taste you get from percentages of PG and VG, I guess I'll just muck about and find the right combination. The bottom coil on the Kanga protank is a flavor killer for sure, but it's so easy to fill and rebuild the coil. I'm trying to save money here hahah, already spent enough to keep me in fags for 6 months!
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    Quote Originally Posted by deboraht View Post
    Another great idea, alas I am not experienced with flavours at present, so I am loath to make up bottles of the stuff with nic, plus I already have a million bottles of stuff already!

    I might try it with small bottle, like 10ml - 2ml flavour 3ml PG 5ml VG - but then the flavour would be diluted so I'd have to put 4 times as much in.
    What I mean is mix your concentrate into 100% pg at 4x strength then add the same amount of nic vg, then the same amount again of pg/vg blend. Then steep and vape.
    If it's not a concentrate and is infact just a doubler in 100% pg why not just add 50% nic vg, 25% plain vg and 25% plain pg together, then add it to an equal amount of doubler.


    Thanks Jenj :3
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    Quote Originally Posted by deboraht View Post
    I have gone to several calculators but they don't seem to take into account 0mg nic flavor which can be 5 -20% of the final mix

    I have 100mg nic juice, which is 100% VG. I want to make 50 VG/50 PG 25mg strength in 100ml batches so I don't have to keep making small bottles.

    Ok simple 25 ml VG nic 100mg, 25 ml VG 0 nic, 50 ml PG 0 nic. Now I have a 50/50 100ml 25mg base.

    But what calculators don't compensate for is the flavour PG % or weakening the strength of the nic level.

    So if I dump 30ml of the 50/50 premixed 25 mg nic into a bottle and add 20% flavour (more PG) won't it lower the nic level as the flavour is 0 nic and also raise the PG level by 20%.

    Does this make sense?

    If all you are worried about is the PG to VG ratio just deduct the amount of flavouring from the amount of plain PG/VG in the mix, then when you mix up the final product it should be balanced

    for simplicity I used to count flavouring and plain PG as the same base ingredient(my flavours were all PG based)
    so my mix would be nic PG based + plain PG(swap some PG out for flavouring) + plain VG

    If you want to get super picky you can calculate how much plain VG to omit too but to be honest the ratio of PG to VG is more of a guide than a strict rule. There are 2 main components in e-liquid those that contain nicotine and those that don't, its the ratios between those two components that is important. What goes into the components that do not contain nicotine is yours to play with as long as the numbers add up to the amount needed to give you the correct ratio of nic when you come to mixing. Just label the bottle saying that it still needs however many mls of flavour to be added.

    Personally I used to just mix everything I needed for the coming week all on the one day and put it away to steep. Just mix up as many complete bottles as you want to use/try and put the rest away so there can be no confusion.


    I hope that helps simplify things for you
    Last edited by GirlyPantz; 25-08-13 at 05:15 PM.
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    [QUOTE=GirlyPantz;309496]If all you are worried about is the PG to VG ratio just deduct the amount of flavouring from the amount of plain PG/VG in the mix, then when you mix up the final product it should be balanced

    Thanks GirlyPants, it's not so much the PG/VG mix, i'm leaning towards more VG after puffing away at this 50/50 mix, too much throat hit, if the vg proves too thick in a high percentage I'll thin the mix with some distilled water. I have been vaping 100% VG, but do like a little throat.

    My main concern is the possibility of the 20% flavouring lowering the nic level, I am trying to cut down gradually anyway so I guess if it's less than 25mg there is no harm.

    Most of the calculators factor in the PG in the flavour to balance your mix, but I have never seen one that calculates how much this 0 nic % lowers the nic level.

    I have all the gear ready to go, so all these questions are coming into my mind before I attempt the perfect blend. I think part of my frustration is the lack of flavour in the bottom coil in the Kanga pro tank. I took a punt and ordered a couple of double wickers. Honestly I want to end up with 0 nic vaping, with ultimate flavour, I think I get more nicotine from vaping than I did smoking 4mg cigs! I find the vaping drys out my mouth and sometimes can give me a headache! I started on 36mg, what a head spin!

 

 
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