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Thread: Siegeli #20 with siegeli kick firing 2 ohm better than 1.2 ohms ? why ?

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    Siegeli #20 with siegeli kick firing 2 ohm better than 1.2 ohms ? why ?

    So I bought a segeli #20 mod.
    put a 18500 battery in it with Siegeli kick.

    Re did my RSST with 28 gauge kanthal and built myself a 1.3 ohms coil.

    What I found out is that with the kick to 10 watts, it was firing a bit weak.
    If i take out the kick it fires great.

    my original coil was 2 ohms using 32 gauge kanthal, and with the kicked 18500 it was a great vape.
    why is this so ?
    is the kick down regulating voltage or something ?
    is kantal 28 gauge not conductive enough ??? wondering ...

    all equipment was purchased form vapeking.

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    Don't know why you would use a kick or a clone on a 1.2ohm coil.
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    Move along!!! Nothing to see here.

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    if you work out the wattage of 1.3ohm on 3.7 battery (3.5-4.2) you'll be going over 10 watts

    1.3 @ 3.7 = 10.5W according to lungtingsirs chart he posted last night
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    Quote Originally Posted by gauravn4u View Post
    So I bought a segeli #20 mod.
    put a 18500 battery in it with Siegeli kick.

    Re did my RSST with 28 gauge kanthal and built myself a 1.3 ohms coil.

    What I found out is that with the kick to 10 watts, it was firing a bit weak.
    If i take out the kick it fires great.

    my original coil was 2 ohms using 32 gauge kanthal, and with the kicked 18500 it was a great vape.
    why is this so ?
    is the kick down regulating voltage or something ?
    is kantal 28 gauge not conductive enough ??? wondering ...

    all equipment was purchased form vapeking.
    have a look here and it will give you the idea

    A simple wattage chart showing the relationship between voltage and resistance

    The kick is just limiting the vape at higher charge state.
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    ckane
    "Don't know why you would use a kick or a clone on a 1.2ohm coil."


    lheamfrg
    "The kick is just limiting the vape at higher charge state."

    .. when the battery is fresh and ... as the battery dies ... I wanted the output to remain constant. hence I thought put a kick clone there.
    Just me dabbling into mechanicals now ... been used to zmax and VW mods.

    but then again I also had built a sub 1 ohm coil, it didnt fire at all with this kick clone. humm
    without the kick this also produced a stellar cloud (I understand it was because I was firing a freshly charged battery at it )

    I am thinking that this kick clone is supressing the battery output far more than it needs to be with low resistance coils.
    so the output is not 10 watts (I've set it to 10 watts)

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    With no kick, and a fresh battery, you'll be drawing about 13 watts with that 1.2 0hm coil. Hence the difference in vape with, or without the kick.
    I gave up on it, and much prefer anything between 0.8-1.2 ohm coils on a mech mod. That's just me though
    Last edited by davee; 20-07-13 at 08:55 PM.

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    Thanks lheamfrg Glad to see the chart's of use.

    Let me expand a little on your answer.

    A freshly charged lithium-ion battery should be around 4.15 to 4.2V. But then you have to subtract the voltage drop present in mechanical mods. In top end mods it's around 5%. Let's say the drop for the #20 is around 7.5%, that gives about 3.9V. 1.3Ω at 3.9V comes to around 11.7 watts. So it's no surprise it's hitting harder compared to the kick at 10W. Albeit it shouldn't be that much harder. In fact it's going to hit harder until the battery has fallen to 3.6V, at which point it should be around the same as the maxed out kick.

    Sub-ohm coils won't work with a Sigelei Kick, it handles a minimum of 1Ω.

    If you want the output to remain consistent and more than 10W, you're much better off with a VV mod, as most can push up to 15W.

    I can understand ckane's sentiment. Mech mods and low Ω coils (less than 1.8Ω all the way to sub-ohm) have in recent times been used specifically to break through the 15W barrier by bypassing the limitations of digital chips. Sigelei Kicks are more suited to carto tanks IMHO.
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    Yeah I understand everyone points but this kick is so weak with low resistance
    Coils it is more like 5-6 watts rather than 10 watts

    Anyways I have taken it out of the mod and enjoying my new setup

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    I am so going to tinker with it got to be a reason why it is not performing
    With loww ohms

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    What kind of amp limit does the clone produce?
    Move along!!! Nothing to see here.

 

 
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