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    Eleaf Lemo II RTA Review, build guide & Goblin comparison

    First I need to mention I received the Lemo II free for review from GearBest.com, this will in no way influence my honest opinion of the product, had I bought the Lemo II my opinion would be unchanged.
    To make it clear, if/when I receive products free to review, I feel obligated to write an honest review, I do not feel in anyway obligated to make the product or company look better than they actually are, I am not trying to "pump the hype", rather I am here trying to help other vapers make informed decisions.
    My loyalty is always first to other vapers, not to vendors or manufacturers that may from time to time send me free products to review.

    GearBest has the Lemo II for sale currently at $28.09US & it can be ordered here: Eleaf Lemo Ii Best Deals + Free Shipping | GearBest.com
    I am unsure if there are any valid coupon codes for this RTA but the price is already cheaper than some other popular Chinese vendor's.
    As usual GearBest sent the Lemo II in a bubble wrap lined envelope & it arrived in good condition, in the time expected.


    Unboxing:

    The Lemo II comes in a reasonably protective cardboard box.
    The outer sleeve slides off, to reveal the Lemo II, housed in a protective foam mold, a ribbon at the side of this mold makes it easy to lift out & get to the goodies below.
    Under the Lemo II is the instruction manual & a small card with a filling diagram.
    Under these is a cardboard insert which lifts out, storing the goodies, Eleaf has included enough organic cotton for (at a guess) around 20 wicks. Also included is what appears to be a coil of 24G Kanthal, which should be enough to make at least 5 coils, so plenty to keep you going for a few months in normal circumstances.
    lastly there is a set of replacement o-rings, 2 replacement deck screws & a keyring style double ended screwdriver with flat & phillips ends.





    The Lemo II:

    The Lemo RTA itself was generally clean & not full of machine oil but like all new atomisers, I disassembled it & gave it a good wash in hot soapy water, then rinsed & allowed the parts to dry.
    It came with a pre-installed coil, pre-wicked with cotton & looked to be well made, I removed this before washing the parts & put it back after to try it out.
    All the threads on the Lemo II's parts are rather good, I had no problems reassembling the RTA & the top filling tank is a breeze to fill, this is one of the highlights of the Lemo II's design IMO.
    A simple twist opens the fill port but before you do, close off the AFC to prevent leaks, once the AFC is fully closed the fill port can be opened. Filling even with a normal dripper bottle is easy, the port is oval shaped & while my dripper was too wide to fit into the hole, resting it above the hole to fill on one side saw no spills.
    I found it is best to tip the Lemo II upside down & tilt at an angle to fill, this prevents juice from entering the juice channels on the deck & thus prevents leaks, when the tank is almost full, you can tilt it closer to horizontal & continue filling but be sure to leave some air in the tank, as with all tanks the air helps with feeding juice to the wicks due to pressure.
    Once full, simply twist the fill port closed & with the Lemo II upside down open up the AFC to equalise the pressure inside the tank, opening the AFC with the tank the right way up is likely to cause gurgling or leaks.
    You probably won't see those leaks though, since the AFC has a reservoir under the deck but over time that will fill with juice from leaks & start to flow out the air holes.





    The pre-made coil worked rather well, there was no dry hits or gurgling during its use, however I felt the flavor was a little lacking using a horizontal coil on the Lemo II.
    With all new tank builds, I give them at least the first tankful of juice to "bed in" before forming any real opinion of the performance, so I went though 2 tankfuls of juice with the pre-installed coil, before deciding it wasn't as good as I wanted the vape quality to be, then rebuilt the deck with my own wick & coil.


    Building the deck:

    The deck is roomy & easy to build on, it is ideally suited to a single coil, although it would be possible to use a dual coil build on it & it uses a PEEK insulator under the positive post.
    For anyone new to RTAs the Lemo II will be one of the easiest decks to build on, the design is simple but effective.
    I chose to use my favorite chimney style coil, which IMO provides the best flavor in most cases, I made a 1.1 ohm coil using 26G Kanthal, with the inner diameter matching that of the air channel of the atty.
    For the wick I used organic cotton, also kindly provided by GearBest.com, I believe it is Koh-Gen-Do, it is the same high quality cotton most RBA users use in their builds, when using cotton.
    Gearbest has it for $2.45US for 10 sheets here: 10 Pieces / Pack Organic Cotton for E-Cigarette Atomizer Wicking-2.45 and Free Shipping| GearBest.com or they have larger packs of Koh-Gen-Do available too.
    Like other high quality organic cotton, I found this had virtually none of the "cottony" wick taste, which I would get with supermarket bought cotton balls for example. While that cottony taste disappears over time (usually a 1/2 tank of juice), it is nice not having it at all & it is certainly worth investing in organic cotton for your builds.



    First I wrapped the coil, positioning it using a screwdriver, of the same inner diameter of the coil, placed into the air channel (the one pictured was used for demonstration only), to ensure it would hold in place & be perfectly aligned.
    The Lemo II has holes for the wire legs of the coil to go into, I did not use these & instead wrapped my coil's legs under the screw heads.
    Once the coil was installed & firing correctly, I cut a thin strip of about 1mm from one of the cotton sheets, then wrapped that around the coil, using the neg. coil leg to help lock the wick in place, when that was done I screwed the lower half of the Lemo II chimney onto the deck.
    I then cut 2 roughly triangular pieces of wick about 10mm wide at the base & about 25mm long, these were inserted into the wick channels on the deck (Note: do not pack these in tight, you want them to reach the bottom of the wick channel but to be loose rather than snug).
    This left me with the 2 points of wick coming up from the deck, these were carefully pressed into the sides over the screws & back onto themselves where needed ( the pictures below show this better than I could explain).
    This type of build has a lot in common with a disposable cartomizer & essentially turns your RTA into a rebuildable carto tank, as the last 2 pictures in this series shows.
    Like all cartos, ensuring the wick is saturated properly, is essential to prevent burnt wicks.















    How does it perform?:

    The Lemo II with a chimney coil build, vapes remarkably well.
    Flavor is very good, much better than the pre-installed horizontal coil, a dual horizontal coil may work on this deck but I have doubts that it would have better flavor & rather would only draw more power from your PV, draining the batts faster for little or no gains.
    Refilling most tanks can be a chore, refilling the Lemo II is almost a joy, the simplicity of it's top filling port makes it a quick & easy process.
    The only leaks I have had has been when I over filled the tank, trying to force every last bit of air out of the tank to test it. This filled the AFC reservoir partially causing it to gurgle a little but was easy to rectify & did not cause lots of mess like many other tanks will when they leak.
    Besides intentionally forcing the Lemo II to leak, I have not noticed any leaks or seepage from this RTA.
    It includes a Drip Tip with a wide bore, which will please those vapers that don't like a restrictive draw, however I used my own DT, which I preferred.
    For those that do like a restrictive draw, the AFC works very well, when completely closed off, there is virtually no air that can be sucked into the atty, unlike some AFCs which when fully closed still allow minimal air to pass through.
    The chimney is a 2 piece design, which helps when rebuilding the deck & ensuring wicks are in place correctly.
    Eleaf has produced an elegant RTA in the Lemo II, parts which need to twist or unscrew have ample grip with grooves that don't look unsightly.
    Everything about the design of this RTA is well thought out, I would certainly pay to replace this if I lost or damaged the one I have.
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    Lemo II Vs Goblin :

    First, I am not going to rewrite all about the Goblin, to get a better understanding of this comparison, you can see my full Youde Goblin review here, : YouDe Goblin V1.2 Review
    Although here are some pictures of the build:









    So I've been testing the Goblin Vs the Lemo II & its very hard to pick the difference, the Goblin has a touch more flavor but there's bugger all in it.
    All testing used the same juice, my own Noe's Bewdy with a 70/30 PG/VG mix, this is a juice I am extremely familiar with & use as my ADV often.
    The Goblin has the advantage of a dual coil build at lower ohms, using higher watts 0.5ohm & 24w vs 1.1ohm & 18w for the Lemo II, while the Lemo has the advantage of having a chimney coil build.
    While it would normally be ideal to compare atties using the same build in each, in this case I chose to use the best build for each device, the Lemo II works best with the chimney style coil & in the Goblin the deck space is limited making a chimney coil build impractical, so instead the dual horizontal coil is what works best.
    I honestly think that if the Lemo II had a regular 0.5 ohm horizontal coil in it, the flavor wouldn't be as good from it & it's the chimney coil that is keeping up with the lower ohm dual horizontal build in the Goblin.
    During testing I had the Goblin's airflow wide open & the Lemo II's AFC set to about 1/2 way, the Lemo II seems to have more air flow than the Goblin, although I wasn't struggling with the draw on the Goblin at all.

    So now I have 2 really good choices of tank atty, the Goblin is just ahead for flavor & has a bit warmer vape, being 0.5 ohms I'd expect the flavor to be more ahead than it is but the warmth of the vape is very noticeable compared to the Lemo II's build. The Lemo II uses less power to produce almost the same flavor, in fact during testing it was extremely hard to separate the 2 devices for flavor, both produce excellent flavor with their respective builds.
    The Lemo II also has the advantage of being top fill-able, while being less likely to leak or seep because of this, the Goblin will seep juice from the base either from the fill hole or the AFC ring, leaving behind maybe 1 drop of juice between fills.
    The Lemo II by contrast has not left any juice behind on my mods, any juice that does seep is caught in the AFC reservoir & I have found that to be extremely minimal.
    So while the Goblin is my favorite for flavor, the Lemo II will see more use, the convenience of top filling, combined with lower power consumption & no leaks has the Lemo II edging out the Goblin for top spot.


    Vape porn:

    I know these pictures aren't essential to the review but I know also that a lot of vapers like to see some good vape porn, so hopefully these will qualify & be pleasing.
    Sorry about the blurred image of the 3rd pic but it shows the volume of fog the Lemo II can produce.




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    Wow, what a review Noe. Even went to the trouble of showing us how to do a vertical build on the Lemo II and your wicking technique, that is a complete and very well thought out, easy to read and well worded review mate. Concise and covers all points, nothing left out yet extremely informative and helpful with your improved build.

    I would think old vapers and newbies alike would fine this kind of review helpful, I'd like to thank you for the time and thought you must have put into it. It's not always easy finding enough of the right words to give a complete idea of something when reviewing it without a lot of blah blah. Thank you, nicely done even for a 4:30 am read on a Sunday morn lol
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    Thanks for the build guide noe, been hesitant to try a vertical coil but this inspired me to give it a crack and I'm loving the flavour and how smooth it makes the draw.
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    Thanks that was a great review.
    I love my Lemo 2's.
    I'll try the coil build and wicking technique you used, when it needs replacing.
    The horizontal kanthal build I have in it now works really well making big clouds at 24watts, and has lasted two or three weeks so far with the occasional wick replacement.
    I'm also using a Lemo 2 with nickel, on the vaporflask.
    It works well, but could do with a bit more vapour production.
    I don't know how I'll go making a vertical coil from nickel, but I'll give it a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalork View Post
    Wow, what a review Noe. Even went to the trouble of showing us how to do a vertical build on the Lemo II and your wicking technique, that is a complete and very well thought out, easy to read and well worded review mate. Concise and covers all points, nothing left out yet extremely informative and helpful with your improved build.

    I would think old vapers and newbies alike would fine this kind of review helpful, I'd like to thank you for the time and thought you must have put into it. It's not always easy finding enough of the right words to give a complete idea of something when reviewing it without a lot of blah blah. Thank you, nicely done even for a 4:30 am read on a Sunday morn lol
    You're welcome.
    I try to just be informative in my reviews, I don't like watching or reading reviews with a lot of waffle in them, so I try to keep that out of mine.


    Quote Originally Posted by Khem View Post
    Thanks for the build guide noe, been hesitant to try a vertical coil but this inspired me to give it a crack and I'm loving the flavour and how smooth it makes the draw.
    Glad it helped
    The flavour improvement is quite significant isn't it?


    Quote Originally Posted by disley View Post
    Thanks that was a great review.
    I love my Lemo 2's.
    I'll try the coil build and wicking technique you used, when it needs replacing.
    The horizontal kanthal build I have in it now works really well making big clouds at 24watts, and has lasted two or three weeks so far with the occasional wick replacement.
    I'm also using a Lemo 2 with nickel, on the vaporflask.
    It works well, but could do with a bit more vapour production.
    I don't know how I'll go making a vertical coil from nickel, but I'll give it a try.
    I really didn't expect to like the Lemo II as much as I do, I liked the concept of the top fill right from the start, when I first saw it in pics but that alone isn't enough to convince me that it's a great RTA.
    The Goblin, I thought would have been a fair bit ahead in flavour production & it is ahead just not anywhere near as much as I expected it would be.

    While the build I used is vertically oriented, it isn't what I think of when I think of vertical coils builds, to me it's a chimney coil build, because the air travels through the coil.
    Vertical coils, to me have a wick running through the middle, chimney coils can be horizontal or vertical & have the wick on the outside of the coil.

    Replacing the wick in my build is pretty economical, the 2 triangular pieces can be reused & they make up the bulk of the wick, the bit that needs replacing is the piece that comes in contact with the coil.

    A nickel coil is usually spaced, which could work, since a carto doesn't usually have a contact coil, the only problem could be over wicking which would cause gurgling, I think if it starts doing that you should try compressing the cotton on the sides a little more, that should slow the juice flow.
    Good Luck
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    Great review, thanks Noe. I've been looking at doing a vertical build in my L'2 but must admit, I am sceptical. I find due to the narrow gap between the chimney and glass that the flow of juice is somewhat restricted leading to the L'2 not being able to keep up the juice flow when chain vaping. Have you chain vaped on that setup, with thicker juices?, and if so, did you encounter any dry hits?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danyel Geelong View Post
    Great review, thanks Noe. I've been looking at doing a vertical build in my L'2 but must admit, I am sceptical. I find due to the narrow gap between the chimney and glass that the flow of juice is somewhat restricted leading to the L'2 not being able to keep up the juice flow when chain vaping. Have you chain vaped on that setup, with thicker juices?, and if so, did you encounter any dry hits?
    Dry hits will be more likely to happen in the Lemo II with a horizontal coil than with the build i used. The fact that the coil is surrounded by juice suspended in cotton makes a dry hit near impossible to achieve, even when chain vaping, provided you get the density of wick right you will not get a dry hit.
    I do chain vape, sometimes having as many as 10 puffs one after the other, if I was getting dry hits I would not be able to do that.
    In fact, if anything the build I have in my Lemo II is too wet, I sometimes get micro drops of hot juice hitting the back of my throat, which can also cause a bit of a cough but nothing like a dry hit would cause.
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    Daniel from what I can tell this seems to be the best setup for chain vaping that I've seen. When you saturate the wick it takes a lot of juice compared to when I do my horizontal coils and when I'm vaping it's soaking up juice a lot slower as the wick is still holding a fair amount of juice. Also I don't think the gap between the chimney and the glass matters because it works by pressure and not flow.
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    Alright guys, you've talked me into it. Keen to try this now. Will set one up tonight, only, Ill have to wait until my replacement glass turns up, hopefully next week, before I can report back. Cheers!
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