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Thread: SS316L + KA1 Clapton Wire Query

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    SS316L + KA1 Clapton Wire Query

    Hi,
    The roll says 26ga + 32ga, which I assume is 26ga SS and 32ga KA1.

    I was looking at steam-engine, and this wire isn't on the list in the coil build specs, I checked Wire Wizard and didn't find any enlightenment there either. Has anyone got a suggestion as to what I should choose as a substitute? cheers FX
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    best bet is just to experiment try a 5 wrap single coil check ohm's and go from there may cost you 100mm-200mm of wire but the stuff's not that expensive anyway just remember to write your results down for next time.
    as far as the make up your probably right but you can always pull some apart and heat it. As your ss oxidises it will give you all the lovely colors
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    Quote Originally Posted by FXVaper View Post
    Hi,
    The roll says 26ga + 32ga, which I assume is 26ga SS and 32ga KA1.

    I was looking at steam-engine, and this wire isn't on the list in the coil build specs, I checked Wire Wizard and didn't find any enlightenment there either. Has anyone got a suggestion as to what I should choose as a substitute? cheers FX
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    Quote Originally Posted by FXVaper View Post
    Hi,
    The roll says 26ga + 32ga, which I assume is 26ga SS and 32ga KA1.

    I was looking at steam-engine, and this wire isn't on the list in the coil build specs, I checked Wire Wizard and didn't find any enlightenment there either. Has anyone got a suggestion as to what I should choose as a substitute? cheers FX
    Try an app called vape tool. Pretty sure you can customise each wire type in a clapton

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    Thanks for this, I'll give it a go

    Quote Originally Posted by helixx View Post
    Try an app called vape tool. Pretty sure you can customise each wire type in a clapton

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    Thanks, I have "experimented", I'd just like to be able to calculate hm wraps I need to make a coil of specific Ohms - preferably before I'm eligible for the OAP, and in time to get to work

    I was wondering whether there was a method to averaging out the gauge so as to use steam-engine, and avoid all that faffing around.

    Quote Originally Posted by PATDACAT View Post
    best bet is just to experiment try a 5 wrap single coil check ohm's and go from there may cost you 100mm-200mm of wire but the stuff's not that expensive anyway just remember to write your results down for next time.
    as far as the make up your probably right but you can always pull some apart and heat it. As your ss oxidises it will give you all the lovely colors
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    SE wire wizard will let you input how many wraps and calculate ohms. But not the other way around. You can get pretty advanced build calculations, including for mixes of SS and A1

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    It might not be a mixed wire type - I have a roll of 26 / 32 SS316 "Stainless Steel 316" Clapton wire (MKWS brand, from Fasttech) that is SS316 for both the core and the wrap.

    Usually the pre-made (as in, pre-Claptoned) spools don't use mixed wire types - not the mass produced Chinese made ones, anyway (they may exist, but I haven't seen any - though I haven't bought wire for ages).

    Typically anything involving Stainless Steel isn't mixed with other material types either - there's no real advantage to it. Wire type mixing really came about with early (Ni200 era) temp control, when people were looking the easiest way to get a TC friendly Clapton, or as a way to make Ni200 easier to work with in general. The Kanthal core stiffened the Ni200 and made it more manageable to shape into coils without drastically throwing off the TCR (as Kanthal doesn't change resistance a detectable amount when heated - but Ni200 changes resistance drastically).

    Stainless Steel doesn't have the same softness / springyness issues as Ni200 - so there's no advantage in using a Kanthal core with it over a Stainless Steel core (also - Stainless Steel only very slightly changes resistance when heated, so using a Kanthal core would likely require a custom TCR setting for temp control. Easier to use Stainless Steel for both wires - it's just as easy to work with, and TC people can use standard Stainless Steel settings).

    I know, it's a very TC centric view of things - but that's why mixed material coils really came about in the first place, so it's a bit impossible to avoid the topic .


    So yeah, I'd build under the assumption that both strands are Stainless Steel unless you know for sure otherwise (that is assuming it says "Stainless Steel" on it. If there's no listed material at all, I'd run under the assumption that both wire strands are Kanthal).

    Anyway - for your actual question - The Wire Wizard on the Steam Engine site can handle Claptons and mixed materials. The big grey box "Wire Builder" is where you configure that. From the drop down box under the "Wire Builder" heading, select "Clapton". Then to the right you'll see settings for your core and wrap wires (including drop down boxes for material).
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    Quote Originally Posted by FXVaper View Post
    Hi,
    The roll says 26ga + 32ga, which I assume is 26ga SS and 32ga KA1.

    I was looking at steam-engine, and this wire isn't on the list in the coil build specs, I checked Wire Wizard and didn't find any enlightenment there either. Has anyone got a suggestion as to what I should choose as a substitute? cheers FX
    Take a look at this post where I explained how to use Steam Engine's page - Caterpillar Track

    Before Lars put up the Wire Wizard page to cater for complex wire builds, I just discounted the resistance effect of the outer wrap as what mostly counts is the core wire resistance.

    If you have other questions, ask away and if I know the answer, I will.
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    The outer Clapton wrap doesn't add any resistance to the coil, I've tried it with round wire and a single core Clapton and basically came out the same. Try putting in the as the core. I bought some before I started building my own and duel 6wrap 3mm I'd came out around 0.35.

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