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Thread: Mr Bea.. er Mean on the UK's Ecxuse for EU Regulation Support

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    Mr Bea.. er Mean on the UK's Ecxuse for EU Regulation Support

    Found this on Reddit this morning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95yRsFwnyjc

    Ugh.
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    As a result of watching this carefully trained monkey reading the script off the autocue , I decided o pop over to the MHRA and do some analysis of my own on how they came to this point

    It appears they tested 4 , yes 4 samples of Nicotine e-liquid ... all of them from very obscure sources .. we have a Tab High ( no maker specified) a Regular High ( no maker specified) , an Ultimo cartridges Supersmoker normal XP, and a Gamucci Tobacco Flavour regular .
    Now while there is no maker outlined on the first two one must assume they are the cheap generic Chinese arse juice mebbe? Ultimo and Gamucci are re-packagers of very low Chinese models for high prices , you know the ones we laugh at everytime a spammer tries to sell us a $6 e-cig for $200 ?
    These of course were "provided" to the testing facility , it wasnt a researched aquisition .

    Now in reading thru http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/c.../con286843.pdf The first alarm bell that went off was the finding of some really weird contaminants ... and while some were tobacco based and could be attributed to poor nicotine extraction , some were also amazingly linked to products used for performing various tests in a Gas Chromatograph Mass Photo-spectroscopy In fact on page 12 of the document , the observer even NOTES that a certain reagent present appears to have contaminated the sample at the laboratory
    "Because of the specialist nature of this compound as an analytical reagent the potential contamination of samples at the analytical laboratory needs to be considered before firm conclusions are made regarding its presence in the "regular high" 18mg cartridges "

    Is any one else hearing the AROOOGAH AROOOGAH of alarm bells yet ?

    In Fact THREE of the major Contaminants in these tests are linked with GC-MS reagents/ chemicals
    One Santovac5 is a vacuum pump fluid used in GC-MS's and yet they include it in the toxicological evaluation ?

    As a layman with some scientific background I am a) astounded they didn't repeat the testing , and b) accepted it for gospel tubthumping of their cause .

    Oh and funnily enough their analysis of the composition of Nicorette has been fully redacted ( blacked out) so us commoners aren't made aware of what is in "Approved" NRT wink wink


    Even MORE Astounding is this little beauty http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/c.../con286844.pdf
    Now I am not going to go thru a full indepth nit-picky of this one , but basically it says that different brands can vary delivery by up to 30% .
    One could also extrapolate that all the brands tested were within 70 % of each other in replicating nicotine delivery ( see how important context can be ? )
    In the main its actually a very good report card and made some interesting statements we all know
    I love how at the end of the first section it PLAINLY STATES

    "There is little risk that EC delivers toxic levels of nicotine "

    If you look at the delivery profiles graphs of the e-cigs , they are all fairly linear and regular ... shows consistency .

    I urge you all to read the DISCUSSION points on page 20 of the document , because it is a non-editable PDF I cant copy/paste any of it , but it is truly worth looking at !

    And from all of the above ... these Clowns with a capital C decide its better to make it a medicine

    If the UK Vapers aren't onto this ... someone more connected with me, please point them here lol

    The above is just my glancing thru 2 PDF's @ Nicotine containing products : MHRA I am sure there are more treasures in there , but I am clinically depressed reading them !!!
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    HI Fatman

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    So typical governmental decision making, find a study/research paper/testing modality that supplies the results you want and use that that your justification for questionable/shady/moronic proclamations.

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    Yes, good reading in that PDF, FM. Whatever was in the middle, the first and last paragraphs are the most telling.
    However, there are always the Kevins (the guy who duked it out with Dr Farsalinos) and Big Cs, who will argue until they're blue in the face, regardless of findings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jas View Post
    HI Fatman
    ermmmm hi?

    ( there must be a subtle message that is too subtle for me to interpret ?? )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatman View Post
    ermmmm hi?

    ( there must be a subtle message that is too subtle for me to interpret ?? )


    Careful there FM. That's a pickup line!!!
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    Ahhhh No Wonder I was flummoxed .... been years since I saw a pickup line used on me
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    He lost me at "it's really important that we have effective products for people who smoke"?

    How does the 8% success rate for patches rate as 'effective'. Any medication aimed at cholesterol, pain relief, contraception, or the treatment of mental illness with that level of efficacy would not only be rejected by the medical community, it would be banned for sale.
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