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    New England Journal of Medicine blasts Ecigs

    concerns:

    •Testing of cartridges reveals poor quality control, variability in nicotine content among brands, and deviations between label claims and cartridge content.
    •The devices do not reliably deliver nicotine, and have not been sufficiently evaluated in scientific studies the way the FDA requires of other drugs and devices used for smoking cessation. Smokers attempting to use e-cigarettes as quitting aids will most likely find them ineffective due to the fluctuating nicotine content and unpredictable delivery.
    •Manufacturers sell cartridges with a range of up to 20 milligrams of nicotine. However, refill kits allow consumers to fill used cartridges with replacement solutions at much higher doses. In fact, the devices are not limited to delivering nicotine. The paper notes that instructions for filling cartridges with marijuana hash oil can be easily accessed on the Internet.
    •The safety of inhaling propylene glycol over an extended period of time has not been studied in humans.
    •E-cigarettes may serve as a "bridge product" that smokers use in places where traditional tobacco smoking is prohibited, thus perpetuating their addiction and use of real cigarettes. Additionally, they may be used as a 'starter' product for young people considering smoking, especially since the cartridges can be purchased over the Internet with tempting flavoring like grape and chocolate.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0720210702.htm

    The rest of the Story (Dr Michael Siegels Blog)

    http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/...udes-that.html

    CASAA response

    http://www.casaa.org/news/article.as...leID=183&l=a&p
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    Same old bollocks really.

    1) As per usual they miss the most critical question - Is this less harmful than smoking?

    2) "Reliability" of delivery isn't an issue unless it can be shown to deliver a harmful dose of nic, therefore it's a consumer and not a health issue.

    3) If PV hasn't been shown to be safe in humans and is such a worry, why is it's use allowed in various inhalers and theatrical fog machines?

    4) "Starter product for young people" There's no proof this is an issue at all. How many non smokers have we seen on the various forums taking up vaping? I suggest you could count them on the fingers of one foot. It's just the usual fallback when ammo is short - Wont someone think of the children?

    Bad science as per usual. It'd be interesting to see who the author works for, their funding sources and indeed, that of the NEJM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slothy View Post
    Bad science as per usual. It'd be interesting to see who the author works for, their funding sources and indeed, that of the NEJM.

    Follow the money/career trail Grasshopper!
    Its in the second link

    Dr Siegels Blog: "Dr. Abrams has received grant funding from multiple pharmaceutical companies that have investigated or manufactured smoking cessation drugs, including Eli Lilly, Dupont Merck, Glaxo-Wellcome, SmithKline Beecham, Sano Corporation, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Knoll Pharmaceuticals, and Pfizer. Dr. Abrams also reports having served as a senior scientific advisor for Johnson & Johnson. It is difficult to find a pharmaceutical company involved in smoking cessation drugs that Dr. Abrams has not had an association with over the years"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sik View Post
    Its in the second link

    Dr Siegels Blog: "Dr. Abrams has received grant funding from multiple pharmaceutical companies that have investigated or manufactured smoking cessation drugs, including Eli Lilly, Dupont Merck, Glaxo-Wellcome, SmithKline Beecham, Sano Corporation, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Knoll Pharmaceuticals, and Pfizer. Dr. Abrams also reports having served as a senior scientific advisor for Johnson & Johnson. It is difficult to find a pharmaceutical company involved in smoking cessation drugs that Dr. Abrams has not had an association with over the years"
    Must admit I didnt follow the links. Didnt want my mellow harshed by morons.

    Just illustrates the point I've been making all along. With a lot of these buttweasels their vested interests > than our health.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sik View Post
    In fact, the devices are not limited to delivering nicotine. The paper notes that instructions for filling cartridges with marijuana hash oil can be easily accessed on the Internet.
    Dear lord...

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    but why would it take "instructions" for a stoner to think of that??? I love how these pseudo-scientists and pseudo-journalists do that... they assume that people haven't already been making bombs BEFORE the discovery of "how to make a bomb" instructions are on the internet.. or that people never watched porn before the internet..

    They are fools and they are even more foolish if they believe in what they are saying and that other people won't think of them as fools for saying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rysup View Post
    Dear lord...
    I missed that bit due to *rage*

    What sort of idiot would fork out for a PV kit to do a bit of oil? Not to mention the microscopic lifespan of an attie used that way.

    The peanut is obviously a BP shill and, as such, should be taken out and given a 100mg nic juice enema - just to clear his mind a little....
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    I've known I could vaporize pot since I saw an ad for it in my dad's porno collection... this was back in 1990 or so lol.

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    That argument is a pretty weak one anyway.

    May as well ban spoons cuz heroin users may use them to mix up their drug for injecting. Not to mention belts, because they could be used as a torniquet, Banknotes because they may be used to snort cocaine and Coke bottles in case they are turned into a bong.

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    eeew, disgusting biased "research"
    Makes me afraid, one day the Australian government will crack down on ecig use.
    We tend to be the most over policed nanny state I've ever seen, add some biased research on top of that and we're buggered.
    :-(

 

 
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