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    Electronic cigarettes are addicting our youth

    This one's a doozy.

    I reckon the the religious zealots should stay off the tobacco zealots turf, because they sound really silly.

    Here, the Rev. Jim Hetzer gives us his scientifically researched synopsis on ecigs .......


    1.Electronic cigarettes provide a direct path for nicotine to the lungs and then to the brain.
    2.Nicotine is addicting and is directly linked to heart disease, constriction of blood vessels, and toxic effects on the liver, lungs and kidneys.
    3.The propellant used in e-cigarettes is propylene glycol, which is listed as a hazardous chemical when inhaled and requires a Material Safety Data Sheet be posted in manufacturing plants were it is used.

    The e-cigs are targeted towards young smokers using images of smiling participants, ocean scenes and the usual proven advertising approaches to entice purchase.


    We can't have any images of smiling people now, can we ?
    The pilgrim fathers would be so proud of him.

    Electronic cigarettes are addicting our youth - Columbus healthy living | Examiner.com
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    Life used to be so much simpler.
    I used to spend my time and money on pre 1980s cars, pre 2000 consoles and computers, pre 1960s razors, good knives, also old fashioned tobacco smoking. Life was simpler back then.

    These days myself and many others, get addicted to all sorts of strange things. For example, the internet is described as 'addictive' by many experts and even some users themselves.
    Some people with that addiction are reverends who post crap on it, and think people really want to read their opinion.
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    Targeting young smokers? Seems like a good idea to me, save them from doing the damage we did. In all seriousness, of all the things I worry about with my kids, them becoming vapers barely registers.
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    But he's into The Who, so the young ones will immediately realise what a 'switched on dude' he is, and take it as gospel. LOL

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    Addiction to murdering sex dolls got me arrested. One of them got away and went to the police.

    Sometimes.... I think that deep down....I let her get away. It was the only thing that was going to stop me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mavinry4 View Post
    Addiction to murdering sex dolls got me arrested. One of them got away and went to the police.

    Sometimes.... I think that deep down....I let her get away. It was the only thing that was going to stop me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mavinry4 View Post
    Addiction to murdering sex dolls got me arrested. One of them got away and went to the police.

    Sometimes.... I think that deep down....I let her get away. It was the only thing that was going to stop me.


    You've got some real hotties there, Mav.

    Yer wanna trade ?

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    I will honestly say that young people picking up their first Nicotine addiction by way of an e-cig is the e-cig's biggest issue.
    It is that issue that will be the death of it by government legislation.
    Everything else is positive except that small issue.
    How can a government support the commercialisation of an addiction.
    Don't get me wrong i'm a e-cig fan but I do worry about future laws because I do honestly see this being a issue.
    That's why i'm stocking up on nic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoofPopClown View Post
    I will honestly say that young people picking up their first Nicotine addiction by way of an e-cig is the e-cig's biggest issue.
    It is that issue that will be the death of it by government legislation.
    Everything else is positive except that small issue.
    How can a government support the commercialisation of an addiction.
    Don't get me wrong i'm a e-cig fan but I do worry about future laws because I do honestly see this being a issue.
    That's why i'm stocking up on nic.
    Ugh bro... Gambling... Lottery... Caffeine... Alchohol... Cigarettes... All they do is commercialise addictions, all the other NRT are packaged addictions too and they're on the supermarket shelf.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DoofPopClown View Post
    I will honestly say that young people picking up their first Nicotine addiction by way of an e-cig is the e-cig's biggest issue.
    It is that issue that will be the death of it by government legislation.
    Everything else is positive except that small issue.
    How can a government support the commercialisation of an addiction.
    Don't get me wrong i'm a e-cig fan but I do worry about future laws because I do honestly see this being a issue.
    That's why i'm stocking up on nic.
    Me too. I really worry about this.
    Sometimes I disagree with the most helpful people here and agree with the most arrogant instead. This whole issue is going to be a long debate because of so much conjecture, anecdotes and tests that are inconclusive or faulty.
    In the meantime I just play it safe, stock up and see where the future lies. At the moment I'm not sure on how much i should stock up on though. At the moment this isn't a long term thing for me. Switch, stop smoking straight away, and cut down eventually on everything is what I have in mind. Though who knows the future? I may still be vaping for a while and if juice is regulated and taxed at the same rate as the price of smokes I couldn't afford them so maybe I should stock up a lot more?

    All I know is after I got a couple of clearos and ego twists, I don't smoke anymore. And I've only got that cheap gear and some chinese ejuice. That's all it took.
    I've got some local doublers too and allow them to steep a little longer and they are good value too.

    But eventually everyone is going to get to the nitty gritty, and everyone has their own views.
    i) is it a "gateway"?
    Definitely not, why would anyone choose smoking over vaping?

    ii) Will everyone using it eventually quit?
    Can of worms here! It's not marketed as a smoking cessation method and doesn't have to be one. It's a commercial product people choose to use on their own volition as a harm reducing method for a smoker to consume nicotine if they don't want to smoke tobacco. Similar to diet foods, drinks or caffeine free coffee.

    iii) What's it for then?
    Some people use it instead of smoking, others use it for quitting. Either way, the consumer speaks, it's preferred over any other NRT method by most smokers it seems and results show that in recent studies.

    iv) Some say it's a smoking cessation device and as such, it should be controlled, regulated, have stringent manufacturers of liquid and flavours, sold at chemist alongside with champix, patches, etc?
    No, some people use it for that, but it's not made for that, it's just a product people choose to use while consuming nicotine instead of smoking tobacco. Just because people choose it as a method to stop smoking, doesn't mean it's a pharmaceutical product.
    What's next, making people get a licence to read stop smoking books or undergo hypnotherapy? To say it should only be used that way means interested parties see profit in it if they got exclusivity to make and/or sell it.
    Some people choose it as a method to continue nicotine consumption as a preference, rather than use it withdraw from nicotine entirely, others use it to eventually quit smoking. Both groups do it while not smoking any more, and that's the main thing I thought as far as a health perspective?

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    But bottom line here to be honest, the pharma companies, the governments are going to want a cut of profits. The quitlines and their campaigners are going to be out of a job, the governments are going to be out a lot of tax. And on top of all that, tobacco companies are going to lose what little revenue they have left.
    It's really all about those groups scrambling over the money involved rather than anything else about the e-cig market that bothers me.

    Feel free to correct me, and add other ideas because it seems a lot of vapers are getting media questions along these lines and rather than comment on other threads, this is along the lines I would answer any questions, maybe the people going to the media could give feedback or say what they think in response?
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