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    Discussion Potential Australian Regulations and Ecig Safety

    Just noted spud and others made some good comments on potential regs safety etc
    Maybe a kind mod could put the discussions here please

    Thankyou

    Discussion was in this newbies thread

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    Last edited by margyb; 28-10-13 at 03:41 PM.
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    margy, I also linked and copied some here, maybe too late for you to see it. its on the agenda for AVA too and also for rebuttals for people like Dr Chant

    Australian Vaper's Association.
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    Well my personal opinion is this.
    The vaping world is currently out of control in many ways more than one.
    Try to put your personal knowledge and prestiges aside.
    Can you even imagine what its like for a new vaper to come along and purchase there first kit?
    Its bloody scary mate,
    And it was scary for me 16 months ago,
    I made mistakes and missteps.
    Now its even worse off than back then,
    And its only been 16 months!
    Vaping is growing and expanding so rapidly that there is too much, Way too much information out there.
    Now ordinarily this would be a good thing.
    But there is no structure, No linear information available.

    "This is for for this, That is for that, This air filter is for this model Toyota" and so fourth.
    The foundation just isn't there, non existent even.

    Now i'll put my hand up as being part of the problem,
    I started creating content on the Youtube in the first place because I was utterly disappointed,
    Being told time after time that some random device was great, Only to spend my hard earned cash on it, To realise it was shit!.
    This happened again and again.
    So I started up my own voice, But.
    In saying that I have contributed to the same problem mentioned earlier.
    I have become part of the 'too much information problem'.
    But not much can be done about the information already released online now.
    So besides that.

    I want regulations, I want the FDA in America to finally friqin study the juices,
    Is it infact healthier for us? will it cause health problems,
    Because as much as your bias opinions may be,
    You don't know yet, I don't.
    We know we feel healthier right?
    But what else is there to tell.

    I want watchdogs over every manufacturer of hardware and juices,
    I want watchdogs over every vendor.
    I am prepared to pay tax that may incur.
    I want to buy only of a vendor that is certified safe.
    And you should too imo.

    Its getting very real now guys Phillip Morris brand has bought many manufacturers as of today.
    At first I thought this was a good thing.
    But then I remembered GM buying all the electric car manufacturers many years ago.
    And where are they now? Where are the electric cars that we clearly had the tech build 10 years ago... Well you guys know.
    They got bought out and scrapped.

    This is my opinion on the subject
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    FDA? are you serious? say bye bye they are the enemy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cumulonimbus View Post
    FDA? are you serious? say bye bye they are the enemy
    Sure the FDA have there share of problems,
    But the point is to open the flood gates, Get the information out there, Give us the ok, Let us know what we are doing is a healthier alternative.
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    The interview I had with Julia she wanted to know what my thoughts were regarding regulations in Australia
    I think a lot of reporters/journalists are going to ask this to vapers in future
    I said I did not want to comment as it would start a world war on the forum
    I just said I would prefer things stay the way they are at the moment but I would like to see some sensible regulations regarding safety.
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    yeah well ANTOSS, anything like the FDA have basically proven they cannot be trusted with that, we as an independent consumer and industry funded group need to achieve and collate this. the information is actually pretty thick on the ground mate, especially lately. you are sowing many more seeds of doubt than needed.
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    The only way regulation will work is to draw out a set of standards that will govern how manufacturers will produce the products including hardware and juices. To get to this, many years and millions of dollars will need to be spent on research and planning.

    That's the theory. In practice, it will be little different as there will be much politics and hidden agendas to contend with.

    There are a few main issues:

    Are the ecigs safe to use long term? Including the chemicals in the juices. Any ill effects of the hardware (like when the coils are burned or the types plastics/metals used etc). Ensuring the batteries don't cause explosions and so on and so on.

    Add to the the toxicity of pure nicotine that may be ingested by children (and idiots) as well as envronmental effects such as disposal of bottles and spend hardware and the complexities of this subject become apparent.

    The easy solution is to just outright ban them. The sale of and importation. BUT this conflicts with our freedom and the community will not stand for this approach here in Australia.

    I for one don't have the answer but I hope it's given some real thought and not just have the easy route taken by those with the power.

    My 2c
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    Quote Originally Posted by margyb View Post
    The interview I had with Julia she wanted to know what my thoughts were regarding regulations in Australia
    I think a lot of reporters/journalists are going to ask this to vapers in future
    I said I did not want to comment as it would start a world war on the forum
    I just said I would prefer things stay the way they are at the moment but I would like to see some sensible regulations regarding safety.
    Very interesting Margyb,
    Firstly are are you a Reporter?
    And when you mention the name Julia, are you inferring Gillard?
    Just for my own info before I comment on the post further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cumulonimbus View Post
    yeah well ANTOSS, anything like the FDA have basically proven they cannot be trusted with that, we as an independent consumer and industry funded group need to achieve and collate this. the information is actually pretty thick on the ground mate, especially lately. you are sowing many more seeds of doubt than needed.
    Pseudo science is NOT science, I understand your hatred towards the FDA, But as mentioned before the point is to open the flood gates of transparency

 

 
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