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    Philip Morris to Tap E Cig Market - New risk reducing technology developments

    Philip Morris to Tap E-Cigarette Market Next Year - WSJ.com

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    http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/199...ette-business/

    I was a loyal customer for 32 years but I will never buy any type of pv or ecig from them. They will not make one more cent from my nicotine addiction.
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    I can see they may acquire some famous PV producers such as Provape in future. It's the matter of time and if the price is right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by porkchop View Post
    I can see they may acquire some famous PV producers such as Provape in future. It's the matter of time and if the price is right.
    Actually you are right porkchop, if they did supply the best pv or ecig I would probably succumb eventually. BUT, I would never buy juices or nic from them so they will never have me as an ongoing customer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donna View Post
    Actually you are right porkchop, if they did supply the best pv or ecig I would probably succumb eventually. BUT, I would never buy juices or nic from them so they will never have me as an ongoing customer.
    I wouldn't buy from them even if they bought out the best PV makers, its a matter of principle for me, they are unethical companies that deal in death, and have done for a very long time, (knowingly and without remorse). There will always be small manufacturers that make great products, and those are the people that I would like to see flourish, and they will if we give them our business, and boycott the multinational, greedy, and unethical BT.

    BT taint whatever they sell, and they will be looking at ways to make their product as addictive as possible, (and probably without bothering to tell the consumer as was the case with tobacco additives), its all about the money, not about the customer, and it is naive to think that their foray into e-cigs will have any ethical considerations behind it. One of the best things about PV's and the small juice companies etc, is that they don't bear the stench of BT. The stink of BT is what will bring with it draconian legislation and regulation, and destroy small manufacturers, because the governments of the world already have a mandate to tax and heavily regulate tobacco products, and it will make it that much harder to have PV's seen as something other than a "tobacco" product, if BT takeover the industry. It will also kill innovation, apart from the innovative ways that BT will come up with to make their product more addictive.

    For me, (and this is my stand, I don't expect others to feel the same), I would rather give up vaping (although I have enough knowledge now that I probably wont have to), then give BT or the governments that have hypocritically fed off them, another cent of my money. I also don't want ANTZ like Chapman getting a free ride to have vaping and vape gear banned in this country, but I see supporting BT's takeover of the vaping industry, as the perfect excuse the ANTZ would need to make vaper a dirty word, just like they have with smokers.
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    ^^^^^^^^Love

    Spud, I wish I could say that I would give up before I would buy a device from BT.

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    If they have thier way you might not have a choice but to refill with thier juices or nic....

    Quote Originally Posted by Donna View Post
    Actually you are right porkchop, if they did supply the best pv or ecig I would probably succumb eventually. BUT, I would never buy juices or nic from them so they will never have me as an ongoing customer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oogy View Post
    If they have thier way you might not have a choice but to refill with thier juices or nic....

    ^^^^^^^^^^^do we have a DISLIKE button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oogy View Post
    If they have thier way you might not have a choice but to refill with thier juices or nic....
    How do you figure that Oogy?, the only thing that they could possibly control, as far as juice ingredients are concerned, is nicotine, and even then, there are a lot of very inventive people in this world that would find a way to circumvent this control.
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    Yeah I was wondering about that myself..and its just one possible scenario out of many... Austrailia takes harsh line on analogues, but smoking is still profitable... ok then alternative... vaping? Ok.. so how should the nic be regulated and who would be able to afford any regulations and taxes that come? Tobbacco companies..Why? B/c who has the most research and resourses to provide more into nic and juices and despite all thier flaws is still respected by govt..tobbacco companies.. esp if they end up collaborating with the medical community..

    It just seems to me a bit logical that tobacco companies would be candidates to control the juice market should vaping come in to legislation... a good way to do this would be first through carto based pvs (to minimise accidental self harm and law suits) then as that didnt work too well maybe by upping the nic dosages in those cartos.. other? Maybe a specialised pv availible through the doctor that has the juice supplied by a chemist? Keep in mind here too that the cigalike market do not like to go above 18mg of nic.. so those who need 36mg may not be able to access it in this scenario.

    Still it is profitable b/c you dont want to smoke anymore do you? and research is showing that many peeps are having sucess on quitting via vaping...if not vaping is a better alternative then smoking.... tobacco companies are trying to make a menze along with the medical community. Rember too the catchcry is harm minimisation (aka profit, and dont sue our ass off) Prices too for nic via this scenario would be more expensive.. look at the prices of cigalikes already...

    So personally, I wondering how this would affect those already aware of third gen pvs.. Those who are aware and dont want to give up thier nice novas and expensive juice holders will be aware that juice is basically 3 or 4 main ingrediants, nic for the most of us, vg or pg, and food flavour. You are right nic being the main.. from what I have been reading there is WTA as an alternative (but oft with added nic).. or herbs as a possibility but then research on that is obscure at best.. so far from what I can tell alternates to nic.. which is not what many are addicted to have not been explored much or enough, so an alternate might be a ways off till something new comes out of nessecity and so far it is not nessacary b/c peeps (remember only %1 of population) are betting on winning the vaping/ analogue war

    Perhaps there are clever people to circumvent the control.. but the key players in this game are good.. really good... remember the dangers of smoking have been known since before the 40s...and I do believe tobbacco companies have the reseach to back what they do and keep themselves afloat .. but what is released and how will depend on profit ... Whatever happens it will be interesting to watch how this all pans out.. I just hope your clever people are as good as thier competition...



    Hoping this makes some sence as am typing and running out the door

    Quote Originally Posted by spud View Post
    How do you figure that Oogy?, the only thing that they could possibly control, as far as juice ingredients are concerned, is nicotine, and even then, there are a lot of very inventive people in this world that would find a way to circumvent this control.
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    i'd like to see them try...
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