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Thread: AIDUCE (French Vapers Association) calls to remove ecigs from EU Tobacco Directive

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    AIDUCE (French Vapers Association) calls to remove ecigs from EU Tobacco Directive

    In response to the trialogue between the European Parliament, Council and Commision yesterday, AIDUSE, the French Vapers Association, has demanded that everything in relation to electronic cigarettes be stripped from the Tobacco Directive.

    Yesterday, the 3rd December, the representatives of the European Parliament met the European Commission and the Council of the EU to determine the future of the electronic cigarette, in a process known as the Trialogue.

    The outcome is that the negotiations are deadlocked. The changes proposed by unelected bodies to the status of the electronic cigarette in the EU revealed a blatant disregard for the interests of vapers and smokers alike. They would, however, have served the interests of the tobacco industry. In a democracy, the people’s representatives cannot accept legislation that is so clearly against the interests of their electorate, when an alternative exists that promises to save so many of them from a premature and painful death.

    Because the unelected European institutions have publicly revealed their incompetence in this matter, taking into account the doubts about possible collusion with the tobacco industry of the Council’s Lithuanian Presidency, the impartiality and objectivity of the rest of the proceedings cannot be guaranteed. AIDUCE, a responsible and independent association that defends the interests of electronic cigarette users, drawing from the empirical knowledge of experienced vapers, demands the following:

    That all reference to electronic cigarettes and all assertions made about them be immediately removed from the draft Tobacco Products Directive;
    That a detailed and objective study, bringing together users, scientific researchers and health professionals, be undertaken as quickly as possible to enable the ultimate definition of a stable legal framework designed truly to benefit the people concerned;
    That the electronic cigarette is at last considered fairly and pragmatically as a viable and beneficial alternative to smoked tobacco, to be treated neither as a medicine nor a tobacco product, but as a prudently regulated general consumer product.

    Reducing the risk to health is a major concern throughout Europe. With one smoker in two dying prematurely from the effects of tobacco, refusing to recognise the risk reduction potential of the electronic cigarette is tantamount to criminal behaviour. The freedom for European citizens to choose and to decide for themselves must be preserved, especially given that scientific research indicates the electronic cigarette is not associated with any serious health risk. The time for procrastination and for spurious posturing is over. We must now endorse the real possibility that eventually and without constraint, a world free of tobacco will emerge thanks to the electronic cigarette.
    Link: Communiqué : L'Aiduce réclame un vrai statut pour la cigarette électronique

    If you recall Clive Bate's article on the possible outcomes of the trialogue negotiations, the third option appears to be taking place. The Commission and Council are not budging, so the only hope is to omit e-cigs from the TPD, and build a new directive that specifically regulates e-cigs. This would be far more justified.

    If electronic cigarettes don't get taken out of the directive, there will most likely be no agreement, and the entire TPD, including the new restrictions of tobacco cigarettes, will be thrown out. Big Tobacco will win both ways.

    It is imperative that e-cigs be taken out of the TPD.
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    Also from that link mav (Aiduce)

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    A Tobacco Product Directive amended to suit the Tobacco Industry?

    Aiduce, the francophone independent association of electronic cigarette users, has repeatedly expressed concern about what is going on in what is known as the Trialogue, where representatives of the European Parliament are negotiating the Tobacco Products Directive and the future of the electronic cigarette with the European Commission and the Council of the EU.

    A “licensed” electronic cigarette strangely similar to the tobacco industry’s current offering.

    Our fears are being confirmed and we have every reason to believe that Europe’s unelected bodies (the Commission and the Council) are seeking to hand over control of the electronic cigarette market to the tobacco industry and, to a lesser extent, to the pharmaceutical industry which, ever so slowly, will no doubt eventually come up with its own products.

    To find out for sure, we have compared the specifications of the tobacco industry’s products with the document currently under discussion in the Trialogue and have found similarities that cannot be mere coincidence. Have a look for yourselves:

    Electronic Cigarette Starter Kit | Vype UK (1)
    https://vusevapor.com/modules/Footer...roductFAQ.aspx (2)

    They include almost all the specifications stipulated in the leaked document:
    http://nicotinepolicy.net/documents/pol … 202013.pdf

    Everything is there, including the sealed cartridges, the restricted nicotine doses, the limited flavours and the requirement for devices to deliver nicotine uniformly and consistently. The prohibitions elsewhere in the text on transnational sales within the EU and on publicity are identical to those imposed by tobacco legislation, thereby enabling the extension of monopolies in countries such as France to include e-liquid vaporisers.

    To summarize, the legislation that is being finalised replicates, item by item, the specifications of the inhalers manufactured by the tobacco industry.

    Pure coincidence? Or is something else going on?

    How can we believe that these opaque European institutions, the Commission and the Council, have not sold out to the tobacco industry?

    The consequences are shameful.


    Either the ‘renegotiated’ Directive becomes law. The tobacco industry, with its obsolete, inefficient but medically certified products monopolises the electronic cigarette market.
    Or Parliament rejects the Directive. The tobacco industry still wins out, by avoiding the other restrictions it would have had to bear.
    This is unacceptable. We cannot stand idly by whilst the process runs its course. For the health of vapers and smokers alike, for the welfare of all, the status of the electronic cigarette must be the one we have always defended: it is neither a tobacco nor a pharmaceutical product. If Article 18 of the Directive does not recognise it as a prudently regulated general consumer product as voted by a clear majority in Parliament, we must fight for the Article to be removed altogether from the future Tobacco Products Directive.

    That is why it is essential we all write and write again to our MEPs, not only to convince the sceptics that they are being manipulated by the tobacco industry, but also to explain why, if the final decision were to condemn millions of people to return to tobacco just so as to restore the industry’s profits, it must be contested by all necessary means.

    (1) Vype is a brand of CN Creative, a subsidiary of British American Tobacco plc. Its site proclaims « CNC was acquired by British American Tobacco (BAT) in December 2012.The acquisition was a natural extension of BAT’s approach to tobacco harm reduction which has evolved over a number of years. CN Creative sits in the Nicoventures division of the BAT Group which is managed separately from the tobacco business. Nicoventures Limited was established in 2010 to develop and commercialise licensed inhaled nicotine products. »

    (2) Vuse is a brand of the RJ Reynolds Vapor Company, a subsidiary of the RJ Reynolds Tobacco Company.
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    What shits me is when the Commission turn around and say that it is those against regulating e-cigs as medicines that have been influenced by Big Tobacco, when in actual fact, it is those in favour of medicinal regulation that have been influenced by Big Tobacco.

    It's the most disgusting display of politics I have ever seen.
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    Disgusting is not a word i would use for the political crap going on at the moment in the EU
    I really cant believe all the bullshit and lack of care for peoples lives and future health
    Its all about money
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    Look what Carl Schlyter, one of the EP negotiators, said after the 8th October vote;

    "This is a shameful day for the European Parliament," said Carl Schlyter, a member of the Green party from Sweden.

    "(The) centre-right majority has done the bidding of the tobacco industry and voted for weaker rules."
    This guy voted for medicinal regulation because he thought Big Tobacco were fighting against it. He is completely delusional in thinking that those opposing medicinal regulation are part of Big Tobacco.

    Big Tobacco ARE FOR medicinal regulation.

    And this guy is supposed to be on the vaper's side for the negotiations!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mavinry4 View Post
    It is imperative that e-cigs be taken out of the TPD.
    I agree, and they didn't belong mixed up in this anyway IMO. they aren't nrt, or tobacco products, so they need to have separate legislation and not be thrown in with these other things that they don't fit with. I think this was all rushed due to panic on the part of interested parties e.g. big p and big t (if you are going to restrict us, then you need to restrict them as well) but ecigs don't fit with either of these groups and need better conceived legislation rather than lumping them in tobacco or nrt (since ecigs are neither). Im really glad there are people in the eu sticking to their guns and getting ready to walk away from the table, it' turning out to be a big corrupt fest IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaping_gal View Post
    I agree, and they didn't belong mixed up in this anyway IMO. they aren't nrt, or tobacco products, so they need to have separate legislation and not be thrown in with these other things that they don't fit with. I think this was all rushed due to panic on the part of interested parties e.g. big p and big t (if you are going to restrict us, then you need to restrict them as well) but ecigs don't fit with either of these groups and need better conceived legislation rather than lumping them in tobacco or nrt (since ecigs are neither). Im really glad there are people in the eu sticking to their guns and getting ready to walk away from the table, it' turning out to be a big corrupt fest IMO.
    Exactly.

    This is not the first time Big Tobacco have ridden on the back of the e-cigarette controversy.

    They've done this several times in the US: Regulation on Ecigs is attached to new regulations of tobacco products. Vapers put up a stink fight to ensure that restrictions on ecigs don't pass, and so the whole legislation is thrown out.

    It's a win-win situation for Big Tobacco, and they know what they're doing, but it's as though no one ever picks up on it.




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