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    Canada and ecigs

    This was posted on Dr Farsalinos facebook page
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    by Zen ecig
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    A year ago, following the publication of Journal de Montréal’s article exposing our troubles with Health Canada, I received an anonymous phone call from someone claiming to be linked to Health Canada. That person informed me that at least one of the companies who manufacture nicotine patches and nicotine gum was putting internal pressure on Health Canada to keep electronic cigarettes containing nicotine, like the Zen eCig, from being commercialized. As I didn’t have any evidence in support of this information back then, I didn’t act on the tip. But I have now gathered enough information and evidence to expose preferential treatment and other seemingly corrupt practices within Health Canada.

    We have been waiting to hear back from the Federal Court of Canada, regarding a judicial review that we applied for. Bu we learned that the evidence we provided was thrown out after Health Canada asked the Registrar to rule it as inadmissible due to a supposed missed deadline. After we applied for the judicial review, we provided Health Canada with a document containing calculations that show our electronic cigarette falls in the category of products containing nicotine that are considered as exceptions in Annex F of the Food and Drugs Act. This law states that an inhaler containing 4 mg of nicotine or less in each dose is included in this category, which means it is legal.

    We have proven that our electronic cigarette releases around 0,19 mg of nicotine per inhalation, but Health Canada is hung up on the fact that each cartridge, or reservoir, contains a TOTAL of 18 mg of nicotine. However, all of the experts we consulted agree that one dose of an inhaler is equivalent to one inhalation, which means that our electronic cigarette is well under the 4 mg limit.

    Let’s get back to those seemingly corrupt practices. We have been going through hell for a year. Health Canada has destroyed a legitimate business under false pretenses. They have sent armed agents of the Canada Border Services Agency to search and seize our homes. They have seized our entire stock of electronic cigarettes, cartridges and other electronic cigarette paraphernalia, as well as business documents and personal electronic devices, including cell phones and personal computers. We have been treated like common criminals and continue to live under the threat of criminal accusations. But none of the members of our personnel has or has ever had a criminal record.

    Evidence of this preferential treatment is easy to demonstrate. The company and its division that were named in the anonymous call I received hold a quasi-monopoly in the nicotine patches and gum industry. With the approval of Health Canada, they have just commercialized an over the counter inhaler. This inhalator, which is considered a natural product and does not have a DIN (drug identification number), IS considered legal under the 4 mg limit clause of Annex F of the Food and Drugs Act. But here is where it becomes clear we are being treated unjustly: their inhalator contains a total of 150 mg of nicotine and releases 1 mg per inhalation. The other ingredients it contains are glycol, water and propylene glycol. Exactly the same as the ones in our product.

    In a nutshell, a small business that was soaring and about to grab a market share of the nicotine product industry has been targeted by Health Canada. Armed agents have searched the homes of every employee and seized their merchandise. Those employees are being threatened with criminal accusations and jail time. All this because a Zen eCig contains 18 mg of nicotine and releases 0,19 mg per inhalation. Meanwhile, a multinational corporation who has connections with Health Canada launches an extremely similar over the counter product that contains 150 mg and releases 1 mg per inhalation.

    This situation is unacceptable and needs to be addressed. Was I wrong to think the Canadian government was above threatening citizens and small businesses to protect a market share?

    We have discussed with many health specialists and lawyers and they all agree: Zen eCig is the victim of grave injustice and we have reasonable grounds to believe there are preferential treatment and corruption practices within the department of Health Canada.

    In order to keep providing you with our product, Zen eCig has set up shop in the United States.

    A year ago I promised the many people who quit smoking with the help of Zen electronic cigarettes that I would not quit the fight against Health Canada and I have not. They can mess with our lives and try to put us in jail, but with time and perseverance, truth will prevail.

    Please accept my very best regards,

    Vincent Deblois

    President of Zen eCig

    link http://www.zen-smoke.com/modules/blo...php?post_id=11

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    Thanks for that margy. Good job you are doing Facebook, you are keeping me up to date. Anyway went looking and found this. Pretty much the same situation as here. No retailing of Nicotine, but personal possession is ok.


    Health Canada says e-cigarettes containing nicotine are not legal in this country and cannot be sold or imported via Internet mail order. Specifically, the federal agency says the importation, advertisement and sale of these products as smoking cessation devices is illegal in Canada. However, it says nothing about personal possession of nicotine "juice" and vaping equipment.

    Martin says Health Canada's 2009 advisory on using e-cigarettes is just that--advice and nothing more.

    "It basically says we advise you not to use them because there isn't enough known about them," she says. "That doesn't mean that it's a law. It doesn't mean that it's banned. It doesn't mean that it's illegal. They're simply saying we advise you not to use them. There is no law and they are not illegal in Canada."

    There is no evidence that nicotine alone causes any substantial risk for cancer, and the research shows that the risk for cardiovascular disease is minimal. Nicotine on its own, like caffeine, creates a short-term increase in blood pressure and pulse rate. Coffee drinking does the same. It poses little health risk.

    -- Sources: Canadian Lung Association, Health Canada


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    Jesus, mary and joseph!

    That reads like it happened in some dodgy banana republic in Africa. Thank God this guy has the commitment and courage to out them and fight this hypocrisy. I really admire him.
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    This sounds horrible. I think it's safe to think that this will be what's happening in Australia.

    Another good reason for a strong vapers association.
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    This type of thing reminds me of soviet russia, like the gestapo coming in and doing a raid. it's just amazing things have got this far in some countries because they interfere with the profits of big companies. it's just corruption at a level we don't normally see, but with the internet, so much of this is coming to light. I hope the masses see this for what it is and vote with their wallets so that big t's profits plummet as a result. I can only wish that happens but some people will believe the propoganda and view ecigs as dangerous etc because that's what the so called experts put out there, and it's backed up by stupid govt authorities like this that confirm in people's minds that ecigs must be illegal and bad without questioning the motivation behind it.
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    Devils Advocate again!!

    The Canadian law says no Nicotine to be retailed in the country. These people were selling cigalike nicotine cartridges. I am not saying they deserved what has happened to them, in fact the same thing has happened here in Western Australia, when a European vendor set up shop in the Northern Suburbs. I will not mention their name as they are vicious people who already shut down one vaping forum in the UK. Until allowed, sell nicotine and you are busted. Its Canada's loss, as the guy has now set up in the States, so will do no good to the trade balance between the countries!!!
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    You know, if we lived in a normal humane society the government would be pouring money into studies left right and centre on the safety and efficacy of ecigs in an effort to speed up a movement away from toxic tobacco combustion which they claim to abhor.

    Instead our govts are colluding with corporations to steal the ideas and new technologies that come out of free enterprise, at the same time as launching a campaign to vilify and stamp out the very enterprising people and companies who brought them such a promising solution.

    These are the people we elect, and the this is the world we live in.

    There HAS to be a revolution or we are all doomed.
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    Thanks for posting Robray

    in the comments section was this which I didn't know
    Italy to legalize electronic cigarette use in public places - ANSA English - ANSA.it

    The mayor of Rome - a transplant surgeon - said e-cigarettes did not produce second-hand smoke or other dangerous emissions for others. Using e-cigarettes is ''not smoking but vaporising. In other words, it is like using an aerosol inside a cinema,''
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    Thanks margy.

    This has got to be the first European country to "Legitimize" Vaping??

    Is this not the same place that recently taxed the hell out of them due to loss of Tobacco tax revenue??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robray View Post
    Thanks margy.

    This has got to be the first European country to "Legitimize" Vaping??

    Is this not the same place that recently taxed the hell out of them due to loss of Tobacco tax revenue??
    Well looky here, a government that looks after it's citizens well being! Congratulations Italy!

 

 
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