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Thread: Worrisome : Liberal Democrats in EU supporting Current Proposals

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    Worrisome : Liberal Democrats in EU supporting Current Proposals

    Chris Davies, one of the original strong supporters of e-cigs in the EU has recently claimed support for the current proposals that came out of the triologue negotiations.

    This is very worrisome.

    This was Chris Davies in 2013.


    This is Chris Davies today.


    Interesting that in 2013 it was all about the users and now it seems to be all about the makers. Chris Davies thinks the current proposals are the best compromise, but they are a compromise too far. A nicotine limit of 20mg/mL and the over hanging threat to refillable cartridges could send millions back to smoking tobacco by making e-cigs less effective and cost prohibitive.

    Perhaps, as a fisheries advocate, Chris Davies needs to be reminded about the environmental impact of banning refillable e-cigs.


    Not to mention that a significant number of vapers depend on 24mg/mL nicotine e-liquid. What happens to these vapers? Are they to vape cake?
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    Democrats of EU should not support to others. It is not good for the country.

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    This is the latest on ecigs by Chris davies himself

    http://createsend.com/t/j-D225A53CEB691C75
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    Quote Originally Posted by mavinry4 View Post
    Chris Davies thinks the current proposals are the best compromise, but they are a compromise too far. A nicotine limit of 20mg/mL and the over hanging threat to refillable cartridges could send millions back to smoking tobacco by making e-cigs less effective and cost prohibitive.

    Perhaps, as a fisheries advocate, Chris Davies needs to be reminded about the environmental impact of banning refillable e-cigs.
    From your link and Article 18a:

    3. Member States shall ensure that:
    a) nicotine-containing liquid is only placed on the market in dedicated refill containers not exceeding a volume of 10 ml, in disposable electronic cigarettes or in single use cartridges and that the cartridges or tanks do not exceed a volume of 2 ml;
    b) the liquid does not contain nicotine in excess of 20 mg/ml;

    I don't see where they are banning refillable e-cigs? Unless its the 2ml limit you're referring to?

    In regards to Article 18a, 3.a)
    Does this mean no genny tank can be bigger than 2ml?
    Does this mean we can only buy 10ml ejuice at a time? Like unflavoured 20mg/ml in 10ml lots for DIY juices?

    At least the ecigs didn't get banned, that would have been pretty devastating.

    Is Australia going to follow the EU lickety-split, or will the OZ gov beat around the bush for a while, and we can secure some reserves in what precious time remains?

    Edit - yeah, its all very worrisome.
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    wish China would just hurry up and invade already . Chinese food and cheap hassle free vaping supplies , a man could be happy.
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    I believe he is referring to the letter Dr Farsalinos wrote and put on his research site

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    Dr Farsalinos' e-cig research supersite and largest global survey ever


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    As I was writing this I was passed a letter by one of the scientific researchers quoted by the Commission in their justification of the 20mg/ml limit on eliquid nicotine concentrations. He is of the opinion that there are major problems in the way officials have interpreted his scientific research. I am not a scientist myself (I have staff who are but not specialists) but I am looking carefully at this and will take it up directly with the Commission. If there is a major problem I will look carefully at how this affects my support for the deal. The scientist concerned only issued his open letter this afternoon but I will push for further information and will let you know as soon as I know what difference this could make. You should keep this in mind when reading the rest of this email!
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