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    E-Cig Trade Association TVECA Supports New EU rules

    TVECA is one trade association with company members in both the US and Europe. They seem to be happy with the new restrictions proposed by the EU Commission.

    Confused e-cigarette trade association supports e-cigarette regulation it opposes « The counterfactual

    Twitterer vapers are blowing up about it, and planning to boycott any company that is listed as a member of TVECA. Two of those companies include FlavourArt and Janty. Consumer Associations will be making official statements in response to TVECA's letter.

    The ENVI committee will be voting this Wednesday, and as Martin Callanan pointed out, it will most likely pass.

    Why on earth would a flavour concentrate company want to have DIY nicotine concentrations banned? Why on earth would a manufacturer that specializes in batteries that exclusively use refillable clearomizers want restrictions on e-liquid volumes? Do they know who they're associating with?

    Here's my response:

    TVECA has always been in favour of the kind of regulations that came out of the recent negotiations. Looking at the kind of products sold by many of its members, it’s understandable why. Many of those companies wont be affected by limitations in ejuice bottle volumes or nicotine concentrations.

    I recommend listening to this ENVI discussion that took place in early 2013.

    While TVECA and ECITA agreed that medicinal regulation was not the right path to take, they disagreed strongly with each other over other forms of regulation. ECITA has always been in favour of a separate directive for e-cigarettes. TVECA have always been in favour of regulating e-cigarettes as tobacco products.

    ECITA’s stance, which is apparent by the kinds of products that their members sell, has always been inclusive of the widest range of products possible, which includes nicotine liquids for self-mixing, flavour varieties, and an endless range of battery and atomizer types.

    Every smoker is an individual, and has their own preference for nicotine intake. The ability and freedom for smokers to find their perfect vaping product in order to keep them off the smokes is vital to ending tobacco smoking. Restricting the vast range of vaping products only limits a smoker’s chance at finding their right product. Leglisation should work to cradle the currently available range of products and set rules only to ensure their quality.

    As Gerry Stimson said, during I believe his first VTTalk interview, “the market requires a variety of products to suit a number of needs and purposes”.

    I believe this is the core of what makes vaping work and I think this should be a stance that the whole vaping community needs to hold onto.

    Variety is Vital.

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    a little background info on Trade Association wars in the US.
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    Wowza i like the consumer view lets go for those guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by greazy View Post
    Wowza i like the consumer view lets go for those guys
    That's the hope. Remove ecigs entirely from the TPD and start on a new, separate and specific directive that regulate ecigs.

    But removing e-cigs from the TPD is very unlikely. As Martin Callanan explained, the best hope in the current situation is to get 76 signatures this Wednesday to open article 18 of the TPD, and attempt to bring the limit back to 30mg/mL and remove the overhanging threat of a ban on refillable tanks.

    Notice TVECA writes to MEPs saying ;

    We are aware that certain stakeholders continue to lobby the Parliament to amend Article 18 or try to apply procedural tricks that would undermine the credibility of the agreement.
    MotherF**kers. They want to make sure that article 18 stays the way it is. This is why Dave Dorn and all the EU vapers are blowing up about it.
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    Yeh its a polotics game now im hoping that Venis dude can deliver.
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    A flavourArt representative has replied on the UK Vapers forum : What a mess!

    Apparently the letter was written without all members being informed and it is being discussed right now
    as some members are in Brussels. It seems that there was a real risk that removing A18 from the TPD
    could lead to delays that might allow Big P to increase pressure for full medicalisation. There is a lot of
    political manoeuvering going on with some powerful influences involved. I disagree with the letter completely
    but am also waiting to receive more details on what has been going on, it's deeper than we think.
    This is not meant as a platitude in any way, there is some crazy stuff going on without doubt but I want to know why.
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    Well it has progressed, suggest people get over to UK Vapers and read this thread What a mess! US E-cig Trade Body TVECA scandalous TPD letter..

    It's getting very murky and serious. We all know that the OZ govt is going to sit back, wait and see, then enact. It's worth reading what the reaction is in the UK because once either the EU or the USA have made a decision, that's the one that's going to land on your door step

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    Tin foil hat time. Flavart to be blus new juice dealer these guys want a head start in the new vaping era, regulation wise its suits them. ban out the competition though legislation lobyying etc haha purely business and political motives now. They could even already be in talks with aus government ready to ship "approved" gear lel.. Seems that crowd are alot more politically minded then ours or at least care alot more about it!

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    Big E-cig is now a player. It is always money that rules.

    I find it so sad that this is always the case, not suprised just sad.

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    A few updates on this:

    European Consumer Associations respond to TVECA's letter : Les associations européennes de vapoteurs s

    Apprently, TVECA are part of an association who's board members are Big Tobacco. A bit suspicious in my opinion, especially when TVECA is strongly of the opinion that ecigs should always be regulated as a tobacco product.

    French Ecig Trade Association rejects TVECA's position : http://cace-cigarette-electronique.c...c-besoin-dair/


    And here's something interesting. Just after the October EU vote, and Prior to the December Triologue negotiations, TVECA were in favour of not only the 30mg/mL limit, but to raise it to 36mg/mL. Now they are agreeing to the 20mg/mL limit provision.

    http://www.tveca.com/PDF/tveca-position-paper.pdf

    Pg 52, Point 2:
    The European Parliament has introduced, at draft Article 18 paragraph 3 point (a), a ban on NCPs with a nicotine level exceeding 30 mg/ml from the market. TVECA’s code of conduct, obligatory for its members worldwide, sets a maximum threshold of 36 mg/ml. Products within the 30-36 ml range are those used by heavy tobacco smokers, as their only effective alternative to tobacco. The threshold set by the European Parliament (of 30 mg/ml) will remove such products from the market and will leave heavy tobacco smoking consumers without a less harmful alternative, keeping them dependent on tobacco. The nicotine threshold should therefore be raised to 36 mg/ml.
    Why didn't they include their original position of the nicotine limit in the list of negative provisions of their recent letter to the MEPs? What changed? Did they decide "what the hell? Lets throw 5 or 6 of our members under the bus to help advance the other 15 members?".

 

 
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