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Thread: I see Scared People : Clive Bates reponse to Dual Use

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    I see Scared People : Clive Bates reponse to Dual Use

    This is a recent debate on ecigs which included Clive Bates.



    Read D1ck PuddleCote's commentary on the debate here: I See Scared People



    What I found interesting was this quote by Clive Bates in response to dual-use;


    "You get a bit of that......but what happens is, once they started to do that, they start to move completely over to e-cigarettes, so that's a beginning of a journey from being a full-on smoker, to becoming a dual-user, to becoming a full-on vaper. You have to let people find their way to these products in a way that suits them, not just criticize them for every step that they take".


    Seems like Clive and I are in an agreement.

    Dual use, in the context that s1m0n Ch4pm4an believes it, is a myth.
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    Top job by Clive Bates.. He seemed so reasonable, while everything the other two said sounded paternalistic and condescending.
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    It's all about safety. No, it's all about profit.

    Clive did an excellent job and it's good to see someone call out the big players.

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    Absolutely brilliant >>Clive Bates A real pleasure to watch
    Thanks Mav

    And D1ck Puddlecote spot on
    Last edited by margyb; 24-01-14 at 02:06 PM.
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    Clive stuck it right up 'em !

    Great to see them squirming in their seats and looking guilty, as they should, because the date of guilty knowledge has long past.

    Highlight of the day, so far !

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    Go Clive u legend !!
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    I hate how they conflate "safety" with 'efficacy".

    Sure, companies should be encouraged to pay for safety and quality tests. I'd be much more inclined to purchase from a company that posts up their safety certifications for the nicotine liquids, so why not let the free market encourage them?

    However, to force companies to pay millions of dollars for smoking cessation efficacy trials and medcine authorisations is utter bullcrap, and only seeks to advantage Tobacco and Pharmeceutical firms that can afford it.

    They're not making quit-claims, they shouldn't have to be made to jump through hoops to sell the product.

    But what's most disturbing is this perverse interpretation of the precautionary principle; that the products should not be sold until after decades of safety tests. And even then, after we've seen with snus, there's no assurance that they'd be willing to support ecigs anyway.

    These people are ridiculous.
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    God he argued well. Between Clive Bates and Nigel Farage I'm torn between two pin-up boys.
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    Those two in the studio looked like real smartarse "my sh*t don't stink" types that were stuck in a set of headlights and could not get out of the way...
    Or they had been caught with their hands in the cookie jar
    Squirming in their seats towards the end
    Some good reads of that pineapplepineapplepineapplepineapple's page as well...
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    Did you see the way the woman and the chemist were smirking and exchanging knowing looks when Bates started talking about the BT and BP being afraid of ecigs affecting their profits?

    It was like they were saying; here we go now, the nutter is off and running...or something similar.

    And then they went on to completely miss the point....'your friends in the tobacco industry' the chemist said, lol!

 

 
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