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    Vaping the new smoking of the 21st Century

    On the AM show this morning, here's the audio, transcript will be available later

    AM - Vaping the new smoking of the 21st century 08/03/2014
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    Bandt... (not related to the vaping story) I feel less intelligent listening to his drivel...
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    Coral seems to be on our side, even tentatively.. that's a great thing, since her study is likely to be paramount in next steps here in Aus.
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    The health authorities are really pushing the BT involvement, even if they have to lie about it. "Hundreds of brands from BT", no wrong. Vaping does not deliver nicotine like a cigarette, "very quickly" , no wrong.

    Vaping is NOT SMOKING so is normalising vaping, NOT SMOKING, again wrong.

    Coral did well, but advocates are getting shouted down by the liars in the "life control, by corporate support industry", or the misnamed "health industry".
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsgruffy View Post
    Coral seems to be on our side, even tentatively.. that's a great thing, since her study is likely to be paramount in next steps here in Aus.
    I wouldn't exactly say that she's "on our side". She's just way more open minded about finding solutions, which every good scientists should be.

    And that's exactly what we need.
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    Here's the transcript. It would be good to provide a reference to show that Bittoun is incorrect about the delivery of nicotine. Anyone got one off the top of their head?

    ELIZABETH JACKSON: Electronic cigarettes users call themselves ‘vapers’ rather than smokers, referring to the liquid nicotine vapour produced by the e-cigarettes when they’re inhaled.

    While e-cigarettes are not approved by Australian health authorities, the so-called 'vape' culture is rapidly becoming a multibillion dollar global industry. A trend that public health experts warn could re-glamorise smoking, especially amongst young people.

    Deborah Cornwall reports.

    (Excerpt from advertisement)

    FEMALE VOICE IN AD: I want you to get it out, I want to see it, feel it, put it in my mouth. I want to see how great it tastes.

    (Sigh)

    If you're going to vape, vape with VIP.

    DEBORAH CORNWELL: Vaping is the new smoking with a 21st century twist: a tobacco-free liquid nicotine inhaled directly through an electronic device, the e-cigarette.

    RENEE BITTOUN: These delivery devices deliver nicotine very similar to a cigarette: very quickly, very addictive. So the idea that you could transfer from a cigarette to an e-cigarette is really quite attractive to some - not necessarily to me.

    DEBORAH CORNWELL: In the past two years, the growth in demand for e-cigarettes has been so ferocious, market analysts are tipping vapers will outnumber smokers in Europe and the United States in the next 10 years.

    Tobacco companies have also scrambled on board the market, which already peddles hundreds of brands, all delivering much the same message: smoking is back, and it's sexier than ever.

    Professor Bittoun:

    RENEE BITTOUN: And that is a very serious retro step, given the incredible amount of hard work people have been trying to do in the last 50, 60 years to denormalise the use of these products.

    DEBORAH CORNWELL: Is it easy to get in Australia?

    RENEE BITTOUN: Relatively easy to get. There are pop-up shops all over the malls. There may be nicotine in them or not; we have no real control over the content.

    And keep in mind there are many, many hundreds of types of these. They range from looking like a cigarette to looking nothing like a cigarette - looking like a pen or your old-fashioned cigarette holder, glowing red at the end or glowing blue at the end.

    DEBORAH CORNWELL: Dr Coral Gartner at the University of Queensland specialises in researching the effectiveness of smoking cessation products, including vapers.

    CORAL GARTNER: Well in Australia, use of the electronic cigarette does appear to be increasing. Last year it was estimated that around 17 per cent of smokers had tried electronic cigarettes and around 6 per cent were current users.

    DEBORAH CORNWELL: The growing popularity of vaping has already prompted a strong response in the United States where cities like New York, Chicago, and this week Los Angeles, have banned vaping in public places.

    But in the United Kingdom health authorities have adopted a more wait and see approach, a position Dr Coral Gartner believes should at least be considered by Australian public health experts.

    CORAL GARTNER: In the United Kingdom, where electronic cigarettes containing nicotine are widely available, a recent study of nearly 6,000 people who were smokers or had quit in the past year found that among smokers who had stopped smoking without any professional assistance, those who used electronic cigarettes were more likely to be successful than those who had used medicinal nicotine products or who didn't use any smoking cessation aid.

    DEBORAH CORNWELL: Professor Bittoun again.

    RENEE BITTOUN: It's somewhat polarised my team. My colleagues are saying 'yes, but harm reduction'; others are saying 'yes, but how can we trust the tobacco industry?' They don't have a very good record do they?’ It's a very dicey and interesting complex issue right now.

    ELIZABETH JACKSON: Deborah Cornwall with that report.
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    This, to me, is just another example of ANTZ trying to stay relevant. They simply cannot accept that the war they waged on tobacco smoking has been won, their propaganda to demonise smokers has been successful, smokers are vilified, hated, and are now just victims of government greed that no one cares enough about to stop the victimisation. They cannot let go of the need for constant reassurance of how great they are to have won this propaganda war, and effectively outcast a minority group from their idea of a pure society. So they attack those who have successfully left the ranks of the vilified minority group behind, the vapers.

    This is what they can't stomach, they can't bear the thought that people are making these decisions for themselves, and being successful at it, enjoying making the switch, and bettering their own health without government and "health" official's permission. When you read the garbage from people like the "professor" in this interview, and the nasty sarcasm by people such as Chapman, (a narcissist that is only interested in boosting his own ego, and will happily lie to do so), its very plain what this is all about.

    I always remind myself when I read these articles, that only part of the reason, (albeit a large part), is the MONEY, the other part is the useful idiots of the pharma industry, the ANTZ, who justify their misanthropy by pretending that they give a sh*t about people's health, when in fact its all about having control over the lives of others, POWER and CONTROL are the other sides of the triangle. ANTZ are simply humans that are less evolved than those of us that don't need to play out dominance games to feel good about ourselves. They are the 1.0 of the human species, those that don't need to dominate and control others, are the upgrade. Unfortunately there is still support for the legacy version of human behaviour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathy View Post
    Here's the transcript. It would be good to provide a reference to show that Bittoun is incorrect about the delivery of nicotine. Anyone got one off the top of their head?
    Nicotine absorption from electronic cigarette use: comparison between first and new generation devices From Dr Farsalinos
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    Quote Originally Posted by spud
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    legacy version of human behaviour
    You mean, 30 years out of date, slow, predictable and notoriously hard to update?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gtadmin View Post
    You mean, 30 years out of date, slow, predictable and notoriously hard to update?
    That too
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