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    Redheadfullofsteam Post: Simeon Chapmen - Big Fat Liar of the week

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    My responses to the above points;

    * I still believe that Long Term Dual Use is a Myth. There's no hard evidence against that, especially when you counter in that there is no real data on whether the people who are being studied are using 1st, 2nd, and or 3rd gen ecigs. Until we have clear evidence on this, Chapmen can't form a definite conclusion either. Any conclusion he makes on the relationship between smoking and vaping and if they can co-exist in one's behaviour, is invalid. Just because you don't know something, doesn't mean you can conclude on the very little data you have.

    *This is Professor Siegel's take on whether cutting down smoking is healthy or not: http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com....t.html. Professor Siegel Quotes: "If a physician made the same claim to a patient that Dr. Chapman is making, it would - in my opinion - constitute medical malpractice". I believe this argument is moot, because Long Term Dual-Use is a myth.

    *The auto function battery may keep smokers within the routine of smoking. Sucking with no click function, The feel of the device, and the appearance of the device may renormalise smoking. That is only a common sense prediction, but this argument fails with 2nd Generation and Third Generation ecigarettes. The eGo and Mod ecigs do not function, looklike, or feel like a tobacco cigarette. By Simeon Chapmen's logic, he would be in support of 2nd and 3rd gen ecigs, and possibly non-white cigalikes.

    Most vapers obey no-smoking areas anyway. But many of us standby, and always have, that private businesses should be allowed to decide for themselves, especially when vapor is scientifically proven to be less harmful than smoke.

    *Simeon chapman's idea that we should require a prescription to purchase an ecig would be very damaging to public health. Any idea that involves making ecigarettes less easier to purchase than tobacco cigarettes would be extremely damaging to public health, and that includes excessive taxes on vapour products. The Australian Public's Health is at this moment being damaged for this exact reason.

    *There is nothing wrong with selling pleasant flavoured vapour products, only with the broadcast advertising of them. Coining the term "teen-friendly" doesn't give Simeon Chapmen right of way to say that the flavours attract only teenagers. Fruit flavoured ejuice should not be advertised on Media commonly viewed and used by youth. They should only be advertised on the vendor's website and forums and areas where adults congregate such as in bars and casinos. Vendors have already taken the intiative to place 18+ warning gates on their websites. Simeon Chapmen's argument for both the points he raised in that last paragraph fall flat on its face.

    He's got nothing left to stand on.
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    Big Fat Liar of the Week- SC

    redheadfullofsteam | coming down upon the opponents of vaping with great vengeance and furious anger

    Tobacco Control Industry big fat liar of the week: Simon Chapman
    MAR 29 2014

    You may already know that vintage antipodean Tobacco Control Industry darling Simon Chapman was present at the 6th European Conference on Tobacco or Health earlier this week. No surprise there, then, as the deranged old fossil never seems to have an issue with being first at the free lunch trough.

    What may surprise you though, is Chapman’s latest revelation on e-cigarettes…

    80%+ of vapers dual use
    very poor evidence of harm reduction from reduced smoking (cf. quitting)
    Massive potential for Big Tobacco to renormalize smoking, erode smokefree spaces
    Interest in controlled access for adults to e-cigs
    Strong opposition to advertizing, vaping in smokefree areas, teen friendly flavors
    I think we need to look at this closely.

    80%+ of vapers dual use
    Says who? Well, says Simon Chapman. This figure comes directly from the imagination of Chapman. But, given that he also imagines himself to be a rock star and an expert on renewable energy, despite having neither the talent for the former or any formally gained knowledge of the latter then this should come as no surprise at all. But it’s still a big fat lie. A big fat lie that then forms the cornerstone of the rest of his dementia fuelled drivel.

    Very poor evidence of harm reduction from reduced smoking (cf. quitting)
    And Chapman misses the point, which is something that he certainly DOES have talent for and in depth knowledge of. You see, if we are talking about smokers who will occasionally use an e-cigarette for convenience – and this is exactly what Chapman is talking about here, make no mistake – then their goal is not harm reduction. Their goal is to use nicotine where other methods have been banned. Banned by sociopathic maniacs like… well, like Chapman. So what Chapman really means to say here is that he is quite cross at people getting around his precious little ban. And that’s how simple it is.

    Massive potential for Big Tobacco to renormalize smoking, erode smokefree spaces
    My God man are you a complete moron? A very special kind of moron designed by hand-picked teams of idiots working tirelessly around the clock to produce the ultimate moron? Explain, Chapman, if you can somehow string sufficient numbers of words together to form a coherent statement, exactly how a smokefree alternative is eroding smokefree spaces? You can’t. Because to even suggest that it does is a gross perversion of reality.

    One wonders how Chapman would react to somebody saying that wind farms are eroding the health and peace of mind of nearby residents. Except one doesn’t have to wonder. Chapman denies that this takes place. Despite the people concerned saying most emphatically that it does. Just another day in the completely made up world of Chapman.

    Interest in controlled access for adults to e-cigs
    Woah… wait a moment there, Chapman. Why the interest in allowing controlled access to these things if, as you so frequently claim, they simply do not work as a tool for either harm reduction or cessation? Something is wrong here. Could it be that Chapman just tacitly admitted that e-cigarettes DO work? And that the Tobacco Control Industry would dearly love to embrace them IF they have control over their supply? I think that’s exactly what just happened. Foot/ mouth interface moment.

    Strong opposition to advertizing, vaping in smokefree areas, teen friendly flavors
    Strong opposition from whom? From Chapman and other similarly self obsessed, self righteous control freaks, that’s whom. Show me another body of strong opposition to any of those things. I double dare you.

    So, Simon Chapman, I hereby award you…
    Tobacco Control Big Fat Liar of the Week. Well done, add it to your monumental collection. Sadly, Sally Davies had all the poops yesterday so I can’t send you any of those, but I’m sure your moment will come. You richly deserve them.

    Wait! There’s more!
    …because not only is Chapman a big fat liar, he is an unprincipled one. Chapman almost fell over himself earlier this week to tweet his faux outrage at the Turkish Government’s move to ban YouTube…

    You may be interested to learn that the 6th European Conference on Tobacco or Health was held in Istanbul. Last time I looked, that was in Turkey. But Chapman has never been one to allow principles to get in the way of an opportunity to spread his vicious, contemptible lies. So there is no way he is going to withdraw his support for an event that facilitates him an opportunity to do this. Even if it does expose his deeply rooted hypocrisy.

    Pointing out the irony of a man who has dedicated his career to enjoining governments to ban things complaining about a government banning something would be churlish. But I just did it anyway.

    Well done, sir. You are filled with a very special kind of hatred.
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    Oops u beat me to it mav. I'll ask for my thread to b deleted.


    ( I Merged it instead .. you made some good points Lozza (FM ) )
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    Quote Originally Posted by lozza 82 View Post
    Oops u beat me to it mav. I'll ask for my thread to b deleted.
    Or combined. If you and others have already posted opinions, we should merge the threads. Great to know others are keeping up with the UK vapers too ;-)
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    poor simon..the world will move on and he'll be left muttering gibberish and doing party tricks with his foreskin.
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    has anyone seen a response from chippy from someone asking for his source of the 80% dual user claim?
    Or does he also censor out sensible debate of his claims?

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    The problem with chimpy is that
    a) he's worried about losing control over smokers - the rotten sods are doing their own thing that was not part of his plan
    b) he has so much invested in his plan, time, ego, the respect of his antz peers that I think he is genuinely worried that smokers will get around his "rules"

    But this makes no logical sense if the object is to get smokers off smoking, he wants it done his way and ecigs weren't part of that plan

    For him this is personal, but if he could set his big fat ego aside and look at the facts it would be very different because he is equating ecigs with smoking, and he doesn't like anything that slightly resembles smoking because then smokers are getting away with not following his rules. The object of antz is not to stop smoking and for people to get healthy but is to stop a behaviour that he simply does not like imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tugboatofdeath View Post
    poor simon..the world will move on and he'll be left muttering gibberish and doing party tricks with his foreskin.
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