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    More Perth 720 ABC propaganda

    WA leads the country in banning e-cigarettes, but users say they help to quit - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


    WA leads the country in banning e-cigarettes, but users say they help to quit


    720 ABC Perth
    By Emma Wynne
    Updated Wed 4 Jun 2014, 11:11am AEST
    Photo: Health authorities are divided about the effectiveness of electonic cigarettes as quitting aids. (Public Health Department)
    Related Story: Scientists urge WHO to resist e-cigarette crackdown
    Related Story: One in 10 smokers does not link smoking with illness: survey

    Map: Perth 6000

    Western Australia has led the country in banning e-cigarettes, even those which do not contain nicotine.
    The World Health Organisation (WHO) will hold a tobacco control meeting in Moscow in October to debate the merits of electronic cigarettes, with some doctors arguing in favour of the product.
    While many users claim the e-cigarettes, which allow them to inhale a vapour without the smoke, help them to cut down their tobacco habit, Australian health experts are questioning their value.
    Last month the WA Supreme Court ruled that e-cigarettes that do not contain nicotine still breached the tobacco control act which prohibits any "food, toy or other product" looking like a cigarette or cigar.
    E-cigarettes that contain nicotine liquid are banned across Australia, but are still easily obtainable.
    Talkback caller to 720 ABC Perth, Mohammed, said he felt that an e-cigarette had helped him with a 27-year chain-smoking habit.
    "About three months ago I switched to the e-cigarette and I haven't touched a normal cigarette since," he said.
    "My breathing has improved, my sleeping has improved. There is no smell on my clothes or car.
    "I'm looking forward to giving up. I have tried all those other things like patches and chewing gum, but they never helped. This is the only thing that kept me off cigarettes."
    E-cigarettes not approved as quitting aids

    Dr Tarun Weeramanthri, the executive director of public health at the WA Health Department, said that while further research is welcome, there is no evidence to date the e-cigarettes work any better that other nicotine replacements.
    "E-cigarettes have been around since the 1960s but despite the claims for them, they are not registered in Australia as a quitting aid," he said.
    "Some people will say the devices helped them quit, but when we look at the evidence, many more people just keep smoking e-cigarettes and normal cigarettes.
    "The long term trials haven't been that conclusive about the effectiveness of e-cigarettes in quitting."
    What has changed, Dr Weeramanthri, is that e-cigarettes have become a bigger business, particularly in Europe, where seven million people use them.
    "What has happened in the last couple of years is the big tobacco companies have been buying up e-cigarette companies.
    If you look at Europe, where millions of people do use e-cigarettes, they are promoted just like old fashioned cigarettes.
    "There is massive advertising and promotion around them and there is evidence that, in some countries, they are being marketed at children.
    "That's what we want to avoid at all costs."
    Cutting out smoke but not nicotine

    However, others like Professor Gerry Stimson from Imperial College in London, believes there may be some benefits to vapour cigarettes and is calling on WHO to resist a crackdown.
    "We think that WHO should be looking at the potential for the positive health effects of e-cigarettes," Professor Stimson told ABC News.
    "Most smokers desperately want to give up smoking and there has never really been much to help them.
    "Many people are not really happy with nicotine patches and gums and at long last we have something which allows people to use nicotine but not to die from the smoke."
    But Dr Weeramanthri said that even when not smoked, nicotine is still harmful.
    "Nicotine is an intense vaso-constrictor," he said.
    "It can restrict your coronary arteries and it can constrict your blood vessels elsewhere in your body.
    "It can cross the blood-brain barrier which is why it is so addictive.
    "Nicotine is a schedule seven poison which are poisons which are not allowed anywhere near human beings."


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    "Nicotine is a schedule seven poison which are poisons which are not allowed anywhere near human beings."

    Unless of course when it's sold to you by big pharma in the form of patches or gum at 100x the price .. Then it's fine .. Not poisonous any more


    I've spent far more than that on vaping ... But I like to think of the positives
    Actually I don't think that's true anymore .. Savings now exceed spending .. Sweet !
    Innokin SVD (dead), MVP v2 and itaste VV3 (dead), several eGo's, EHpro Kayfun Lite Plus, Aerotank Mega, Aspire Nautilus, ET-s, Mini Nova-s, CE5 BDCs .. So far

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    "Nicotine is a schedule seven poison which are poisons which are not allowed anywhere near human beings." I suggest that cigarettes should be banned immediately, according to that very statement.

    tbh I am, hopefully like many of the public, becoming desensitised (or bored at least) of these articles. let me tell you what will happen imho:

    - BT will buy up all the cigalikes - pretty much done already.
    - BP will patent up nicotine delivery systems using vapour and come out with the Nicorette Personal Vapouriser (wow already ?).

    once these have both happened, both camps will be happy and spend the $ on research that backs the claims that they currently dispute. there will then be overpriced shit-sticks of various shapes, sizes and colours on the market that limit the efficacy to encourage more prolonged consumer spending over time. none will taste like custard and your plime will have to be made at home

    we will all continue to play with miniature drainpipes, plumbing pipe and pretty much any other conductive tube combined with the various fuse wires and brass screws we are able to get our hands on now that we now how.

    for those in the know, there will be an interweb where ideas are shared, kids and newbies are taught and GGs will go for tens of thousands to collectors who "just cant believe that was how we did it back then" (Imeo will have already long retired a rich and happy man).

    using the gazillion loopholes that are sewn into the fabric of the law to allow corporate earth to continue in a corporate fashion, we will continue to find channels to obtain what we need to stick in our pipes - we just wont be smoking it.


    I think that fundamentally, everyone (BT, BP, GOV, etc) already realise this. right now its a little bit of jockeying going on seeing who is brave enough to make the first move. this is just the foreplay. hopefully by the time the nightie comes down, there will be enough of 'us' to have a voice that will be heard.

    "viva la revolu...." oh, too soon.....sry

    amount saved by not smoking: $lots
    amount spent on vaping: $not enough

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    Gold vengaman ... Gold !


    I've spent far more than that on vaping ... But I like to think of the positives
    Actually I don't think that's true anymore .. Savings now exceed spending .. Sweet !
    Innokin SVD (dead), MVP v2 and itaste VV3 (dead), several eGo's, EHpro Kayfun Lite Plus, Aerotank Mega, Aspire Nautilus, ET-s, Mini Nova-s, CE5 BDCs .. So far

 

 

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