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Thread: Medical Journal Australia - Battlelines on role of e-cigs

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    Medical Journal Australia - Battlelines on role of e-cigs

    https://www.mja.com.au/insight/2014/...es-role-e-cigs

    A really good read.

    Professor Wayne Hall, chair of the Centre for Youth Substance Abuse Research at the University of Queensland, said those supporting a ban on e-cigarettes had “lost sight of the possible gains to smokers because their thoughts are dominated by the fear of what big tobacco is up to”.

    He called for the battery-powered devices and the “e-juices” they vaporise to be “made legally available in Australia”, to ensure their safety and quality.

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    Just realised there is a voting poll. Don't forget to vote!

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    your poll is rigged .. how much regulation did you say you wanted? and who will control those regulations? better to comment then vote imo

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    Just realised there is a voting poll. Don't forget to vote!
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    3 ways to ban an e-cig. Great poll.
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    Should e-cigarettes be made legally available in Australia?
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    Yes - so they are regulated
    Maybe - more evidence needed
    No
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    legally available but regulated = ban ?

    Of course we want to make sure de-facto bans aren't introduced (e.g high taxes, prescriptions, and any other barrier that discourages people from switching), but all of that discussion in due time.

    There are better ideas other than S.C's licenses that people may actually like & find convenient.
    Last edited by marty; 26-06-14 at 12:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty View Post
    legally available but regulated = ban ?
    I put a comment there on poll choices. I would like a response, but I don't expect to get it Anyway I think it's better to vote to show opposition to banning and waiting.
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    I don't understand the viewpoint that we should not have any regulation. If given the choice between what we have today, and having them legally available within Australia but with regulations put in place, I'd always choose the locally available regulated option, provided that our current import options still remain.

    Unlock the current ban in which ever way possible first (but that doesn't affect current imports), then fight to relax any over-restrictive policies on local availability.
    Last edited by marty; 26-06-14 at 12:28 AM.
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    With people like Mike Daube saying that the recent WA ruling "was an important step in the continuing battle against smoking", the recent ignorant interview from QLD, the general gullibility of the population and susceptibility to effects of social engineering and the lack of numbers you really do wonder if it'll ever be allowed to be sold outside of a chemist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tugboatofdeath View Post
    the recent ignorant interview from QLD
    From the radio interview;

    "You don't actually know what you're ingesting - the nicotine is a poison and it's illegal but the other substances that are often mixed with it, you don't know what they are."
    The exact same thing can be said about tobacco smoke. Hence, this argument is equivocation, part of the usual logical fallacies given by many anti-harm reductionists. Not even S.C agrees that vaping in and of itself should be looked upon as equivalent. His focus is mainly on whether vaping keeps most people on the smokes. He doesn't agree that exclusive vaping is anywhere near as harmful as smoking.
    Last edited by marty; 26-06-14 at 02:53 AM. Reason: tired

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty View Post
    I don't understand the viewpoint that we should not have any regulation. If given the choice between what we have today, and having them legally available within Australia but with regulations put in place, I'd always choose the locally available regulated option, provided that our current import options still remain.

    Unlock the current ban in which ever way possible first (but that doesn't affect current imports), then fight to relax any over-restrictive policies on local availability.
    I don't think anyone would disagree with you. Just that "regulation" became a weasel word for something practically equal to a ban. If you look at EU Tobacco Directive with its limits of 20mg nic and max 10ml bottles, you will know what I mean. Anyway I voted for "yes - regulated" option, but I left a comment regarding limited voting options.
    Last edited by EwaZofia; 26-06-14 at 09:41 AM. Reason: spelling

 

 
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