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    A must read article from RMIT about e-cigs in Australia


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    Well fancy that!?! Never!?! It can't be true!?! I just can't imagine!?! So they're not just roulette pipe bomb gateways to smoking heroin?!? I'll be dammed!
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    Well well well!
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    Its nice to finally have a link from a local respected institution ( RMIT ) to add quite a bit more weight to the Pro-vaping arsenal ... I wonder if Chappy sent them a letter about possible grants lol ( oh I am so cynical in my dotage)

    Nah but seriously its good that academia is coming around ... certainly helps cement our opinions on things ... I for one am quite happy if just the message gets out that vaping is a Harm Minimising approach adopted by ex-smokers to stay away from tobacco burning ... because no matter how we dress it up , that's what brought us here
    And hopefully will bring a lot more out of the tobacco camp , despite the best efforts of those who want to slander it for personal or corporate agenda .

    The whole "we dont know its safe " argument gets negated by a huge factor once its rephrased to " Ahhh but we do know its orders of magnitude SAFER than smoking , and probably no worse than current NRT " .... works for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatman View Post

    The whole "we dont know its safe " argument gets negated by a huge factor once its rephrased to " Ahhh but we do know its orders of magnitude SAFER than smoking , and probably no worse than current NRT " .... works for me
    Just for balance, I think inhaling some chemical food flavourings are potentially a lot worse than current NRT products, but those are medical products. To me vaping is everything you said it is, but those are side benefits of a recreational product, like alcohol, cigars, and sky diving(!), that does not hurt other people. As such there is no reason I should be restricted from using it once sensible quality and safety control regulations are in place.

    ETA: Obviously alcohol use can and does hurt other people, but that only strengthens the case.

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    Here's an interesting factoid. It took a while to work out but we discovered I am allergic to the adhesive on patches. Apparently quite common yet never spoken about.
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    Yes, unfortunately that is very common. I only knew about that by knowing people who need patches for other things like hormones and dementia medications.
    Oh, and dressings.
    Last edited by essiemessy; 16-10-14 at 11:14 AM. Reason: And another thing LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by JenJ View Post
    Just for balance, I think inhaling some chemical food flavourings are potentially a lot worse than current NRT products, but those are medical products. To me vaping is everything you said it is, but those are side benefits of a recreational product, like alcohol, cigars, and sky diving(!), that does not hurt other people. As such there is no reason I should be restricted from using it once sensible quality and safety control regulations are in place.

    ETA: Obviously alcohol use can and does hurt other people, but that only strengthens the case.
    Datsa why I said "probably " no worse lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by essiemessy View Post
    Yes, unfortunately that is very common. I only knew about that by knowing people who need patches for other things like hormones and dementia medications.
    Oh, and dressings.
    I can't believe I did this but in an effort to quit I put up with a major allergy attack for 4 weeks using them. My doc suggested spray on skin then out the patch on too. I was a bit desperate.
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    I think this is the original paper: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/add.../abstract

    Hajek is a cool guy. He's the one who challenged that dodgy study where they gave ecigs to cancer patients and then said they didn't help. They discounted the people who gave up smoking from the results.

    Re flavourings, I suppose there's always some risk, but in reality tobacco itself has heaps of flavourings, and burning those chemicals is probably much worse. At any rate most good vapers don't inhale that much, so the flavourings are only being absorbed by saliva anyway.

 

 
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