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    Meanwhile in France ... The electronic cigarette has finally standards to ensure the

    Its in french .. use google translate.. there are more stories like this if interested

    Make of it what you will
    La cigarette électronique a enfin des normes garantissant des critères de sécurité
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    Hmm, tried this and I'm not sure that I'm any further enlightened lol

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    The article briefly goes like this :

    "The industry of vaping(material, juices) is getting together to regulate and set norms on ecigs. Wanting to assure they are safe to use. Since all have been relying on the makers specs, with no real guarantee of saftey features. So this "body" with the govt. would regulate what sells and how it should be to be able to be sold to the public.

    Then there is a proposal to control elquid, what goes in it, how and in what it is stored. This law would assure that no toxic substances are added to locally made products (I imagine this extends to imports...or does it).
    All this is coming about because of talks in taxing the ecig consumer and now being considered like a "smoker" they are worried about how it will all end."

    It will obviously take some time to put together all the norms, unless they just copy standing laws from eleswhere.
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    Well the way i see what it is ,is that the french have used there heads realizing that if they get together with the people who are suplying the juice and gear then they will be able to regulate its sale /production sandards and there for be able to tax the product .Pretty smart on behalf of the french government they must be able to see the health benefits of using e cigs compared to normal tobacco and therefore not only are they raising a new form of reveneu but are trying to ensure that those who use these devices are safe rather than just take your chances .
    This may well sporne a new industry of e juice manufacturing ,and some overseas manufacturers may depending on the regulations on ingredients now have to put all ingredients on the bottle and lift there manufacturing standards to comply with french standards.I applaude the french on this move and it is a pity that our governemnet are still in medievil times with a shoot it or ban it mentality ,Maybe if mr Hockey looked into this sort of program he may get himself a nice windfall from the revenue it may raise and the benefits it may have on the future burden on the health system from tobacco ,but then again it isnt a quick fix and thats what australian pollies like .

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    Agree 100% Crispy.

    It was about time someone did this and aside from a possible overtaxing, it will only lead to a positive future for vaping, at least in France.

    In Italy they are also in limbo, no rules except that you are not allowed to sample eliquids in stores, even though most will let you sample however, like a lot of things in Italy, it happens under the counter.

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    Before you go all half cocked AFNOR the group pushing this is not a ground up group it is a standardisation group that is hired by companies to create industry standards International cooperation / About AFNOR / Group / - Home they could be hired by anyone for any reason

    Here in Australia at this stage a push for standardisation b/c of the grey area of the law could help both pharma and BT to medicalise what you already have .. seesntially you have a choice at this point .. legalisation or medicalisation

    If this is a corporate move in France you can bet your bottom dollar that you and your health are not thier concern ... and closed vaping systems and extremely limited flavours would not be off the books in order for them to protect you from yourself at your own demand .. it would be also guaranteed that in order to pay 'corporate costs' and to guarantee profit you wopuld be paying more for getting a lot less ...
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    ANFOR is in fact used in multiple and unrelated industries. It is also true that the standards they have set and/or certified have been considered and accepted by many of the industries they are involved in.

    As far as them doing it for our well being, I doubt anyone will illude themselves regarding their motivations.

    Nevertheless I still think this is a slight push in the favour of vaping. We didn't really think it was goung to continue like it is now. We are practillay free to use any kind of mod with any quantity and type of liquid.

    I suppose the most frustrating part for me, is the uncertainty of our future.
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    Yes they are and standardisation is a basic cost cutting/ streamlining tool in which alot of policy can be derived from and reccomendations for policy made ... In other industries like pharma and tb .. it is exactly this kind of streamlining that have kept anyone new out of the markets (by making process to get in prohibitavley expensive) and kept prices more or less fixed .. standardisation is also about protectionism mostly in favour of the companies .. and we all know how that can work in favour of the bigger companies

    Maybe it cant work this way forever but rushing in out of fear I think is a bad move too .. Strategy over knee jerk always works better .. and from what I see of the bigger picture seems to have worked well for the key players too

    Cant help you with the future thing .. I can say.. that I have a good stock and I am battening down for long haul.. esp with so many screaming for protection from ourselves .. the future will come no matter what but how it happens I suppose is up to you ..

    I would prefer strategic planning or at the very least to come head to head in the negative PR thing they have going with a positive PR about vaping .. but this panic thing that yall seem to have going .. am sure i am not the only one battening down the hatches waiting for mum to come and try save me against my will


    Quote Originally Posted by CCVaper View Post
    ANFOR is in fact used in multiple and unrelated industries. It is also true that the standards they have set and/or certified have been considered and accepted by many of the industries they are involved in.

    As far as them doing it for our well being, I doubt anyone will illude themselves regarding their motivations.

    Nevertheless I still think this is a slight push in the favour of vaping. We didn't really think it was goung to continue like it is now. We are practillay free to use any kind of mod with any quantity and type of liquid.

    I suppose the most frustrating part for me, is the uncertainty of our future.
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    "Oh, you cant help that," said the Cat: "were all mad here. Im mad. Youre mad."
    "How do you know Im mad?" said Alice.
    "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldnt have come here.
    Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland






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    This will be interesting, though my understanding is that Standards are voluntary until some law or licensing body enforces compliance.

    I'm in favour of safer consumer products, but the French are well known for killing innovation through bureaucratic red tape, so I'm uneasy that they're doing it first. It may be a lesson in what not to do.

    E-cigarettes and unfair competition: a recent ruling in France - Franchitto - 2014 - Addiction - Wiley Online Library

    Like for example, how the standards will approach trace elements of potential toxins in ejuice. Are they going to blanket ban, because formaldehyde is in heaps of products, market vegetables included. The testing costs alone will kill off most small vendors.

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    Tricky thing voluntary standards in the vaping community ... think about the chemical threads and how ready born again health fanatic vapers are to get pitchforks and rhetoric blazing before thinking about the consequences or the cost monetary and otherwise .. including to potential new vapors and existing small to medium businesses in a small market .. I think many are preemptively essentially falling into the same trap of wont someone think of the children?

    The standardisation thing gets sold as .. its great for vapors.. they will save money and thier health ! But when you look into it more .. the water gets murcky .. and the real winners are the companies that can afford to comply .... and those who can afford to comply... will ... but as business naturally wants to make money, they will aim to make criteria even more stringent .. even if nessacary calling for bans

    Judging past threads I think these "voluntary standards" may come in at some stage.. the outcome and how and who will be left to play will depend on a few things not least of all what priorities are pushed first .. protecting vapers or creating a legal standard

    Personally I wouldnt mind knowing who instigated these *cough .. voluntary standards...at least from that you would be able to get a sense of motive





    Quote Originally Posted by Pleski View Post
    This will be interesting, though my understanding is that Standards are voluntary until some law or licensing body enforces compliance.

    I'm in favour of safer consumer products, but the French are well known for killing innovation through bureaucratic red tape, so I'm uneasy that they're doing it first. It may be a lesson in what not to do.

    E-cigarettes and unfair competition: a recent ruling in France - Franchitto - 2014 - Addiction - Wiley Online Library

    Like for example, how the standards will approach trace elements of potential toxins in ejuice. Are they going to blanket ban, because formaldehyde is in heaps of products, market vegetables included. The testing costs alone will kill off most small vendors.
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    But I dont want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
    "Oh, you cant help that," said the Cat: "were all mad here. Im mad. Youre mad."
    "How do you know Im mad?" said Alice.
    "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldnt have come here.
    Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland






    Comic Database: Steve Hughes... Offended?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs











 

 
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