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Thread: Prof David Nutt speaks "Unholy Smoke"

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    Prof David Nutt speaks "Unholy Smoke"

    Brilliant piece by Professor David Nutt from the UK. Well worth a read, he nails many issues particularly those around Government, Tobacco Control and Big Tobacco.

    "Unholy Smoke? Why does the USA fear vaping?

    As a research psychiatrist who has spent most of my professional life looking for ways to mitigate the harms of addictive drugs, the concept of replacing a very harmful drug such as heroin with a safer one such as buprenorphine (Suboxone/Subutex) makes perfect sense. However when the same logic is applied in the market place, rather than in the consulting room, a different logic seems to apply. Smoked tobacco is the leading cause of premature death in the world today killing around 6 million people per year. Since the discovery of its causing lung cancer and heart attacks in the 1950s the medical profession and many legislative authorities have sought to reduce use. This approach has produced significant progress, but still in the UK tobacco is the leading cause of premature death, with nearly 5 times the risk of the next risk factor alcohol........................."


    Read the complete article here....
    ISCD ~ Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs

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    I like the fact that more and more articles are coming out of this nature from what would appear to be credible scientific sources.
    I would still love to see Health Regulators and Manufacturers take the plunge to conduct real long term studies of cause and effect.

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    It makes you wonder when so many health practitioners are cautiously positive about the role of ecigarettes as harm minimisation and even as a means of cessation, why are so many public health academics and advisors so vehemently and 'hysterically' against them? If it were religious, and it often feels like that sort of zealotry, it would be equivalent to insisting that ecigarettes are evil. Why are they swooping on even the smallest research projects and twisting the results to suit their anti-ecigarette agenda? What is motivating this? I know they're not "safe", but I also know they're far less dangerous than tobacco cigarettes. I will always recall the very short dialogue between Simon Chapman and myself where he had posted about an ecigarette exploding while charging in a car. I replied that charging batteries was very dangerous, in a "small risk of explosion, catastrophic consequences" way, and asked him would he charge batteries next to his children? "Of course I would" he said, and then made a post ridiculing me as if I was some sort of crazy woman for suggesting that rechargeable batteries were dangerous and promptly blocked me. I hope, for the sake of his children (if he has any - while he's quite high profile, he keeps his family situation very quiet and out of sight - not one image I could find of him with children or spouse) he has done a bit of research and realised that I was right and he was wrong in this instance. Being blocked meant that I had no way of sending him information about common household devices like lap tops, mobile phones and other rechargeable battery powered items exploding randomly - even apple iphones do from time to time. I guess for some people, it's not until you've had the experience yourself (like we did in our very early vaping days) that you learn to minimise the risks by keeping recharging things isolated and contained.

    I know young people often have to learn the hard way, but you'd think an academic in later life, who's spent their entire life thinking for a living, would have more common sense. ( a precious and rare rather than common occurrence these days, it seems)
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    In Australia, we have many drug treatment specialists on our side. We also have many of the Mental Health Professional organisations on our side but most are so busy lobbying their own agenda they don't have time for ours.

    We are slowly slowly getting there. I feel much more optimistic that many see the likes of Chapman and Daube as having had their day and it's time for new thinking. There are also many good eggs within the tobacco control field in this country.

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    Common sense and Simon Chapman do not go together !
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    I just want to say thanks to all the members who post these articles. While it not only helps you feel like youre on the right path while youre starting out, it gives you the added feeling that we might only get once chance to have a say in policies over vaping before it becomes subject to the same old regulations smoking were...

    Perhaps its a naive dream that policies for vaping will be determined by the consumers, after all its our health, rather than the government and "health" organisations who are hopelessly as conflicted with their own interests as they were with smoking and pharmaceutical companies

    Clearly the latter never worked....
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