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    Specifics on the Campaigning Goals of the NNA AU.

    It has been asked what the New Nicotine Alliance, Australia is actually campaigning for. It is important if you are considering donating to know what your money is actually going to. We cannot reveal all our activities publicly, as that would advantage our opponents, but as we are able to do so, we will. You might be aware we have already generated considerable positive media attention on vaping. Our next campaigning is now going to be about engaging politicians directly, and I'll release details of this later.

    This link is where it is on our website: Governance & Funding

    What we are Campaigning for and What your Donation goes Towards


    The most important issue by far in Australia is making nicotine e-liquid legal to use, possess, buy and sell.
    It would be quite simple to make safe nicotine e-liquid legal and available in Australia for sale through dedicated vaping shops. This one simple Commonwealth legislative step would put us into line with the UK and the USA where more and more smokers are enjoying the choice to have a far safer method of recreational nicotine. It would be a boon for public health in reducing smoking rates and would be an important measure for human rights, for people to be able to take control of their own health through making better choices. It is to simply add one line, (d) in the Commonwealth Poison Standard, (SUSMP) which all the States are bound by under Schedule 7 as follows:


    Proposed Schedule 7 amendment

    NICOTINE except:

    a) when included in Schedule 6;

    b) in preparations for human therapeutic use; or

    c) in tobacco prepared and packed for smoking.

    d) in preparations containing 7.2% or less of nicotine when labeled and packed for use in electronic cigarettes (personal vapourisers).


    (7.2% nicotine is chosen to bring us into line with UK laws and has a low enough toxicity but allows adequate strength for practical use.)
    Secondly, we believe that smoke free laws should not apply to vaping, as there is no credible health argument to be made. There are significant public health benefits to making it easier to vape than to smoke.
    Thirdly, public health will benefit if e-cigarettes are more available than cigarettes and laws that restrict advertising and keep vapour products locked up behind counters should not apply to a product that gets people off smoking and requires physically handling and trying out in order to be the most successful.


    How will we achieve this?
    We need to engage personally with anyone and everyone that matters, along different lines simultaneously, from Public Health, to Media, to politicians and advisors. This requires us to be able to go to a conference or a meeting with politicians or to engage with any opportunity that presents itself.


    Funding.
    We are extremely fortunate to have a real qualified Medical Doctor as our President who is happy to do his work without any pay, who is happy to take personal and professional risks and who is happy to wear the costs of foregone income because of the time spent on advocacy because he is so committed to the cause. All of our workers are unpaid volunteers. However, we are hamstrung by our principled stand to not accept any donations from any industry sources, even independant vape vendors, in order to have no possibility of compromise or even the perception of being compromised by a conflict of interests. To be pure as snow in terms of this helps our cause immeasurably.
    We did not wait for donations to commence action, we have paid for the initial work out of our own pockets, and we believe what we have done so far shows our credibility and worth in terms of advancing the cause of vaping against the fearsome opposition funded and supported by millions of dollars and the power of Government.
    It is difficult for morale however if simple, small, everyday costs are not covered and the costs of travel, attending events and engaging with advocacy have to be paid entirely out of the volunteer's own pocket. It seems reasonable that people who believe that the NNA AU are doing good and useful work for the benefit of all vapers should help out with donations to cover costs. It is better if many people help with small donations rather than leaving it up to a few.
    We will always be open and transparent about what we use donations for and our books will be available publicly.
    The more we have the more we can do.
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    If you can some how fit it in that nothing over 3.6% should contain flavourings, that wold be ideal.

    Also, if you made your priority to be "access" to vaping products, and didn't waste your time on usage restrictions or fighting to allow free reign in advertising etc, that would be good.

    Let those who want to market ecigs fight for the right to market ecigs. They're developing their trade association, so let them build their case. If consumers want to support ecigs companies, then they're free to do so.

    As a vape-consumer advocate, all I care about is that we have legal access to vaping products and associated nicotine liquids.

    ....And by access, I mean financial access also, so I am against vape taxes, unless they have been justified such as for regulating the market and product quality standards. I will not tolerate a sin tax on vape products.
    Last edited by PurpleVapes; 22-09-15 at 01:49 AM.
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    Our overwhelming focus and priority is access for consumers and especially the Schedule 7 laws. Other excessive laws that make cigarettes more available than vaping also affect access and the other 2 things are our position but not our priority. I agree there should not be any more taxes than a general consumer product; GST at most. We are concerned that applying the same restrictions and taxes as apply to smoking gives a message that it is just as bad as smoking, which is not a good thing.
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    A note to thankyou for putting this up - am sure it will allay some peoples concerns -

    Wondering if The NNA will now provide AVF with a non controversial spokesperson who is qualified to speak on behalf of the NNA to post relevant information as it arises?


    It is a pity however, if I am reading right- that the NNA is specifically targeting nicotine laws and not alternative methods of switching like Swedish snus?

    Anyways good luck with your group and thankyou for clarifying - its good to know
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    I would also request that this be put in plain English so that people fully understand what they are supporting without having to read a full ACT to understand exactly what you are asking them to support .. Please .. bc this seems a bit complicated
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    Another factor to consider with legalising Nicotine E-juice in Australia,

    Revenue,
    as Vapers will no longer be Importing and paying tax internationally. (or Importing Less)
    Every bottle of juice or Mixing Nicotine comes shipped internationally.
    The companies we buy from pay their governments tax to be allowed to sell, on top of that we pay Shipping which also has Tax on it.
    By legalising the sale of Nicotine E-juice in Australia the Regulators would be opening up a whole new Job market and source of revenue,

    I believe any Vapour store or Website in Australia should try to donate and Support efforts to Bring about this change in Regulation.
    Being able to sell nicotine E-Juice will benefit their sales and enable Beginners access to All the Correct fundamentals to switch to Vaping successfully.

    Cheers
    Last edited by bugzme; 22-09-15 at 03:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rebelagainstthemachine View Post
    A note to thankyou for putting this up - am sure it will allay some peoples concerns -

    Wondering if The NNA will now provide AVF with a non controversial spokesperson who is qualified to speak on behalf of the NNA to post relevant information as it arises?


    It is a pity however, if I am reading right- that the NNA is specifically targeting nicotine laws and not alternative methods of switching like Swedish snus?

    Anyways good luck with your group and thankyou for clarifying - its good to know
    Who would you consider a non-contraversial spokesperson? I believe they are for snus but there are so many laws being formulated re vaping at the moment that it's taking centre stage.
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    I use snus myself as well as vape and certainly we support it's legalisation for retail sale. But snus is currently fully legal to import in personal quantities, and to possess and use although it has a ridiculous tax by weight on a product that is 50% water. On our front page we are fairly broad in our aims of campaigning on the legalisation and increased availability of all risk reduced nicotine products, but the legalisation of nicotine eliquid has to be the priority for the time being.

    Of course people want something brief to read but I wanted to show the specific part of the act that needs to be changed and how it could be done most simply.
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    As long as that psycho Donna is involved, good luck. No offense to you Dr. but she burned a lot of bridges here, get rid of her and the support will come flooding in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bk_renesis View Post
    As long as that psycho Donna is involved, good luck. No offense to you Dr. but she burned a lot of bridges here, get rid of her and the support will come flooding in.
    She talked a lot of bullshit and gave crap advice too....

 

 
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