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    the TPP agreement, detrimental to vapers.

    FYI everybody... sign this petition, spread the word. It must be stopped.

    Dear friends,

    Australia and 11 other countries just sealed a secret deal that gives corporations vast powers over 40% of the world’s economy. But the Australian parliament can stop it.

    The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is a monster global trade deal that could massively expand internet censorship, and put Tobacco, Big Pharma and Monsanto profits before public health and safety. This is their dream come true. But to become law, each country has to ratify it, and if the Labor Party votes no, this terrible agreement dies. The good news is a growing chorus of Greens, Nationals and Independents oppose it.

    Even Labor’s key supporters, the trade unions are pushing hard to stop it. Avaaz can uniquely bring voices from all these countries and the whole world to the table. Let's give our allies in Parliament the massive public backing they need to protect all our freedoms -- join the call and tell everyone:

    https://secure.avaaz.org/en/tpp_2015_loc_aus/?thGsHeb

    The TPP will shape lives across the world, but most of the text was written in secret by negotiators and corporations, without public input. When Wikileaks revealed a portion, we got a sampling of how bad it is:

    - If a nation bans a toxic chemical, or labels genetically modified foods, or tightens environmental regulations, TPP empowers companies to sue governments in secret global tribunals, run by corporate arbitrators. If the government loses, taxpayers could be forced to pay companies billions of dollars for lost profits.

    - Under TPP, pharmaceutical giants could extend their monopolies so far that cheap life-saving drugs for cancer and AIDS patients could be prevented.

    - The deal could criminalise those who sound the alarm on corporate illegal activity through a computer system.


    Those are just a small part of the agreement. We have no idea what corporate lobbyists wrote into the bulk of the treaty because governments have refused to release the text to the public. While trade treaties can be critical to a healthy global economy, representatives should never be able to ram through new laws without letting citizens know what's in them -- and they certainly should not do it in service to corporate profits at the expense of the public good.

    We’ve been fighting these types of agreements for years, and have won. Allies in the US Congress just told us 'this is not a done deal', but to bury it, they need all the public help they can get. Let's stop the corporate takeover of our democracies. Join the call and spread the word. This needs all of us:

    https://secure.avaaz.org/en/tpp_2015_loc_aus/?thGsHeb

    It can be easy to feel small in the face of big corporate forces driving our governments. But when they tried to push a trade deal that threatened our internet freedom, almost 3 million Avaazers took action, and our community was a key force in stopping it completely. Let's do it again here and remind our governments that people, not money, are the true source of power.

    With hope and determination,

    Dalia, Nataliya, Alice, Mais, Emma, Danny and the entire Avaaz team

    Sources:

    An explainer on Obama's 'secret' trade pact (Guardian)
    You down with TPP? An explainer on Obama's 'secret' trade pact | Business | The Guardian

    Who is writing the TPP? (Boston Globe)
    https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...riting-tpp/2FQ...

    Trans-Pacific Partnership is reached, but faces scrutiny in Congress (New York Times)
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/bu...ched.html?_r=1

    TPP: What is it and why does it matter? (BBC)
    TPP: What is it and why does it matter? - BBC News
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    We're fucked.
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    Not if we all stand up against this...

    Message it to everybody! Let everyone know! Most people don't realise what's being foisted on them.

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    Yes they have been keeping this under the radar for a while, one example of this sort thing is Philip Morris are suing the Australian Gov. over plain packaging.

    "More than $50 million of taxpayer money is expected to go up in smoke defending cigarette plain packaging in a secretive international tribunal in Singapore."

    “Some trade agreements have clauses which allow foreign investors to sue governments, on the grounds that a law or policy ‘harms’ their investment. The Australian government policy is to oppose these clauses in current and future trade negotiations. However, they do exist in some past trade agreements, and big tobacco is taking full advantage of this,”



    This is a fine example of what the TPP will be like
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    So big tobacco could sue the Aus government for the excessive taxes placed on cigarettes, causing smokers to quit and big tobacco losing profits. Same thing with the plain packaging.
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    Potentially they could sue the government if they legalised nicotine sales also.

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    So big tobacco could sue the Aus government for the excessive taxes placed on cigarettes, causing smokers to quit and big tobacco losing profits. Same thing with the plain packaging.
    Don't really have much knowledge on the TPP in general or how it will affect us personally, but I am quite happy for Tobacco companies to sue the government over the above. Governments have been screwing smokers for years, why shouldn't the Tobacco companies fight back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgscott View Post
    Don't really have much knowledge on the TPP in general or how it will affect us personally, but I am quite happy for Tobacco companies to sue the government over the above. Governments have been screwing smokers for years, why shouldn't the Tobacco companies fight back?
    So you want to give our tax dollars to tobacco billionaires pgscott? Your logic reads that because the government has been screwing us that big tobacco should get to screw us too

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    If my tax dollars go to big tobacco that's because of incompetent governments who think they can just screw over smokers whenever they like. We are in this situation with vaping precisely because governments feel they can do what ever they like and nobody will care. And basically they are right, nobody does care so they get away it.

    So yes, I hope the tobacco companies do win. It might slow down the demonization of smokers (and vapers as well).

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    I believe we are a sovereign country. If an international corporation gets put out because of our health or environmental policies they can just go screw themselves. They have no say, not our problem.

    It won't reverse the demonisation of smokers but it could cost us billions from our economy and totally roadblock vaping, which is the greatest threat the tobacco industry has ever seen.
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