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    Someone tell Chapman and Daube. We've got to stop this!

    TGA considers legalising e-cig nicotine

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    Dr Coral Gartner
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    and others all talking licences for nicotine - not banning them - it was never about banning and they have said so over time


    Here is the SA recommendations from feb as an example taken from the nna au facebook page https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...13920825292322


    South Australian recommendations on ‪#‎vaping‬ . Shocking for both current smokers and vapers. http://www.parliament.sa.gov.au/Committe…/…/Committees.aspx… 66 pages long but the basics are below:

    Sale Recommendation
    1: Prohibit sale of e-cigarettes and peripherals to minors, under 18 years of age, in line with the Tobacco Products Regulation Act 1997 Recommendation
    2: Prohibit sale of e-cigarette devices that may specifically appeal to minors, for example, devices that have child-like aspects such as diamantes and cartoon characters Recommendation
    3: Prohibit sale of e-cigarette peripherals that may specifically appeal to minors, such as sweet and confectionery flavoured e-liquids (regardless of cessation potential in adults) Recommendation
    4: Require a licence to sell e-cigarettes and/or components – this licence may not be held in conjunction with a licence to sell tobacco products or any other products Recommendation
    5: Prohibit indirect sales (such as sales online or by telephone) in line with the Tobacco Products Regulation Act 1997

    Use Recommendation
    6: Prohibit use in areas that are smoke-free under the Tobacco Products Regulation Act 1997
    Promotion Recommendation
    7: Prohibit advertising and promotion of e-cigarettes, e-liquid and peripheral componentry in line with the Tobacco Products Regulation Act 1997 Recommendation
    8: Prohibit specials and pricing promotions of e-cigarettes and peripherals in line with the Tobacco Products Regulation Act 1997 Recommendation
    9: Permit businesses to provide signage and promotion of their store, but not products in line with the Tobacco Products Regulation Act 1997 Recommendation
    10: Liquid for use in e-cigarettes mandated to be labelled as e-liquid
    Product Safety and Quality Control Recommendation
    11: Require child-proof caps and tamper-evident packaging of e-liquid Recommendation
    12: Require health warnings to be visible on e-cigarette device and e-liquid packaging Recommendation
    13: Require ingredients to be clearly listed on e-liquid packaging
    Enforcement Recommendation
    14: SA Health and SA Police to be given the power and remit to ensure compliance with regulations according to the Tobacco Products Regulation Act 1997 and any new framework to cover e-cigarettes Recommendation
    15: State Government through SA Health to enforce regulation regarding nicotine Recommendation
    16: State Government to appeal to Federal Government for more stringent enforcement of regulation regarding nicotine importation, sale and possession to prevent its recreational use across Australia
    Research Recommendation
    17: Support further research into the short and long term effects of vaporised nicotine, propylene glycol and vegetal glycerine Recommendation
    18: Support further research into the safety of e-liquid flavours for inhalation Recommendation
    19: Support further research into the specific effects of e-cigarettes on pregnant women and foetuses, infants and children, young people, people with respiratory illness and chronic illness, and the general population
    Taxation Recommendation
    20: State Government to consider taxation of e-cigarettes and peripheral products

    By sliding ecigs into the tobbacco category also makes this kind of legislation possible





    Wait and see now that the process has been hastened -

    might also be good to look at nicopharm to see whats ahead in case it goes the full medical instead of what has been recommended - Nicopharm has been recommeded by DrMendelsohn over time Dr Colin Mendelsohn - Tobacco Treatment Specialist :: Is nicotine for e-cigarettes legal in Australia?


    and another article from may
    Australia: Regulating Ecigs, yes, but under which regime? | Vaping Post

    A question also to consider - is for those states that place ecigs in the tobacco category - how high will the taxes be?


    Vaping was always inevitable in Australia - the question has always been who is going to get the biggest cut
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    The taxes will start high, then increased increments as it is with tobacco. So the main goal in the short term will be to make "ends" not an affordable option for quitting smoking until they can devise a plan to promote "ends" as the miracle it is while lining only their own pockets. I am gambling on a 2 year downturn followed by a single year of silence then the regrowth for the following 2 years. I am convinced it will go something like this. I sincerely hope I am wrong.

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    Startling developments in recent days, for me at least.

    This EROS mob are at least a large sharholder of many of the adult shops in Western Australia?
    So thats a question, not rhetoric.

    Regulated supplier of nic juices?

    I..... am speechless

    WOW

    What is going on indeed

    I would not want their Pharmacists compunding my juice thats a fact and a full stop
    Ill stop im still in shock
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    How about someone tell Chapman to stop conflating the cigalike and vapouriser markets.

    Every time he makes that conflation, a vape fairy dies.

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    It's amazing, but the article that link goes to has completely changed since I posted it. Originally it was just the facts - TGA considering changing schedule 7 status for nicotine liquid below 3.6% to legalize ecig-level nicotine. Nothing else.

    Now it's all "experts fear blah blah...", and quoting chapman and daube. I assume they are referring to chapman and daube as the experts here. Weird really, as nothing could be further from the truth when it comes to ENDS. Experts in disinformation perhaps? That must be it.

    The media is simply ludicrous. Every day I learn a little more how little value it provides.

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    Curtin University professor of health policy Mike Daube, who chaired the federal government expert committee that recommended plain-packaging laws
    He should be fired for that travesty alone. Studies clearly show plain packaging increased smoking rates.

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    The URL still tells the original story national/breaking-news/tga-considers-legalising-ecig-nicotine

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    3.6% to be able to be purchased is great

    But what's the legality on stronger %'s
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianS View Post
    3.6% to be able to be purchased is great

    But what's the legality on stronger %'s
    The mandatory sentence for possession of 3.7% :


 

 
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