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    Chimpies caution

    The failed history of tobacco harm reduction

    https://theconversation.com/the-failed-history-of-tobacco-harm-reduction-64561


    Electronic cigarettes carry some of same heart risks as smoking

    "In a study of 24 smokers, the scientists monitored blood pressure and aortic stiffness when using cigarettes, e-cigarettes and nothing. Both smoking and vaping raised blood pressure, with 30 minutes of vaping stiffening arteries as much as smoking, they told a European Society of Cardiology congress in Rome.

    Professor Charalambos Vlachopoulos, of Athens Medical School, who carried out the study, said such stiffness made it harder for the heart to pump blood round the body. ďIf the aorta is stiff you multiply your risk of dying either from heart diseases or from other causes,Ē he said. ďItís the most powerful biomarker we have for estimating cardiovascular risk."

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    Last edited by rebelagainstthemachine; 02-09-16 at 01:50 PM.
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    Simon says put your hands on your head
    Simon says take them down
    Simon says go back to smoking
    Simon says go die quietly
    Simon says I hate THR

    This guy is mentally challenged in the worse way

    And the other moron

    Same response as caffiene or a dozen other normal activities on the aortic responses and is no indication of onset of heart disease

    I am so pissed, same bovine excrement (to coin a phrase) over and over like parrots
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    The study cold have headlined - "Vaping has same effect on heart as exercise!!""
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    Pharmacists urged to sign up smokers to quit


    https://ajp.com.au/news/pharmacists-...-smokers-quit/


    BAT moves from packaging to sue TGA on nicotine inhalers

    Nocookies | The Australian


    Queensland smokers face tougher laws effective today
    Read more at Queensland smokers face tougher laws effective today - 9news.com.au
    ďBut I donít want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
    "Oh, you canít help that," said the Cat: "weíre all mad here. Iím mad. Youíre mad."
    "How do you know Iím mad?" said Alice.
    "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldnít have come here.Ē
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    Quote Originally Posted by rebelagainstthemachine View Post


    Pharmacists urged to sign up smokers to quit
    Or they could sign up to AVF and do it properly.


    BAT moves from packaging to sue TGA on nicotine inhalers
    Can't read that one 'cause subscription only, sounds like a giggle though. They're not that stupid are they?

    Queensland smokers face tougher laws effective today
    It's a crock. If banning smoking in pubs didn't make people give up, banning it at the shopping mall aint gonna make any difference at all. If you remember all that happened was people stopped going to pubs for a while.
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    Can't read that one 'cause subscription only, sounds like a giggle though. They're not that stupid are they?


    One of the largest tobacco *companies in the world has sparked another* legal battle with the Australian government, over its refusal* to allow its electronic cigarette to be classified as a legal health product.


    British and American Tobacco has launched legal action against the Therapeutic Goods Administration claiming that the health authority did not even consider an application to have its Voke nicotine inhaler listed, much like other nicotine products that could help smokers quit the habit.
    BAT’s nicotine product arm, Nicovations, has filed a claim in the Federal Court claiming that the TGA erred by not even reviewing* the application, with Britain’s Medicine and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency recently allowing the product to be licensed like other nicotine-quitting products.
    “Nicovations is disappointed that the Therapeutic Goods Administr*ation has refused to evaluate our application for Voke in Australia,’’ BAT said in a statement. “We’ve been forced to seek a review of the TGA’s decision not to assess our application.”


    The big tobacco companies took the Australian government all the way to the High Court recent*ly in a failed bid to have laws forcing them to sell cigar*ettes in plain packaging overturned.
    In a statement, BAT said the inhaler could prove more effective than other quitting products such as patches or gums, with the inhaler working on a different system to other e-cigarettes and not requiring heating.
    “Nicovations would like to see the Australian government take a pragmatic and proportionate approach to regulating next generation nicotine products,’’ the statement said. “It seems unreasonable that adult smokers in Australia currently can’t legally access these types of products.”
    Despite e-cigarettes still being illegal for sale in Australia, hundreds* of thousands of people here are now estimated to use the products, which have been approved* for use in Britain and in the EU.
    While not commenting on the case, the TGA directed The Australian to its current advice on the products, which claims its hard line on e-cigarettes is based on nicotine’s classification as a “dangerous poison”. But it accepted* it had not conducted an assessment of the products for quality and safety.


    “Unlike Nicotine Replacement Therapy products, which have been rigorously assessed for efficacy and safety and, therefore, approved by the Therapeutic Goods Administration for use as aids in withdrawal from smoking, no assessment of electronic cigar*ettes has been undertaken and, therefore, the quality and safety of electronic cigarettes is not known,” the TGA states on its website.
    A recent independent paper by the British Health Department evaluating the use of e-cigar*ettes found they were about 95 per cent less harmful than smoking cigarettes, could benefit poorer smokers and release negligible amount of toxins to bystanders.
    “On the evidence, we believe e-cigarettes have the potential to make a significant contribution to the endgame for tobacco,’’ it said. “With opportunity comes risk, and a successful approach will be one that retains vigilance and manages these risks, while enabling a flourishing and innov*ative market with a range of safe and effective products that smokers want to use to help them quit.”
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    ďBut I donít want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
    "Oh, you canít help that," said the Cat: "weíre all mad here. Iím mad. Youíre mad."
    "How do you know Iím mad?" said Alice.
    "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldnít have come here.Ē
    Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland






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    You cant smoke cannabis or opium at a shopping centre either - Wonder how that ban is going.....

    Quote Originally Posted by fabricator4 View Post
    Or they could sign up to AVF and do it properly.




    Can't read that one 'cause subscription only, sounds like a giggle though. They're not that stupid are they?



    It's a crock. If banning smoking in pubs didn't make people give up, banning it at the shopping mall aint gonna make any difference at all. If you remember all that happened was people stopped going to pubs for a while.
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    ďBut I donít want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
    "Oh, you canít help that," said the Cat: "weíre all mad here. Iím mad. Youíre mad."
    "How do you know Iím mad?" said Alice.
    "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldnít have come here.Ē
    Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland






    Comic Database: Steve Hughes... Offended?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs











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    Quote Originally Posted by rebelagainstthemachine View Post
    BAT’s nicotine product arm, Nicovations, has filed a claim in the Federal Court claiming that the TGA erred by not even reviewing* the application, with Britain’s Medicine and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency recently allowing the product to be licensed like other nicotine-quitting products.
    “Nicovations is disappointed that the Therapeutic Goods Administr*ation has refused to evaluate our application for Voke in Australia,’’ BAT said in a statement. “We’ve been forced to seek a review of the TGA’s decision not to assess our application.”
    There's no way that would fly. NRT inhalers are BP products approved for sale after the obligatory six months (or whatever) of testing.

    All they really need to do is spend some of those lawsuit millions on convincing the TGA to remove consumer level nicotine from sched 7. That means the TGA couldn't stop them selling it. The problem is of course it wouldn't stop vape shops selling it either... They want their cake and be able to eat it too.
    Chris: Tobacco free since 17:00 15th March 2013.

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    I think its 50/50 that it will fly - also I think the reason that (aside from pharma profits) CC and others have suddenly gotten behind the TGA and medicalizing, States have been pushing clean air laws hard, and why the TGA after all this time made a call for nicotine- IF BT wins everyone saves face - if they lose they say I told you so


    Personally I agree with you with removing nic from schedual 7 - but I would like to see it go further - I want to see chromatography/ spectrometry data bases updated with current and accurate figures regarding nicotine and flavouring toxicity (Its all outdated in terms of vaping) and i would like to see the results of the chromatography/ spectrometry tests after the update - dont think it will happen in a hurry - scientists seem happy being bought and sold to suit who ever helps them get food in thier bellies


    Oh in case you missed it - the last article written n the subject

    Federal Court forces drug regulator to consider nicotine inhaler case
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    ďBut I donít want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
    "Oh, you canít help that," said the Cat: "weíre all mad here. Iím mad. Youíre mad."
    "How do you know Iím mad?" said Alice.
    "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldnít have come here.Ē
    Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland






    Comic Database: Steve Hughes... Offended?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs











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    Hope it does fly, it would seem to kick the door in for us.

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