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    More Shoddy Research on E-Cigarettes by Big Pharma-Funded Scientists

    The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: More Shoddy Research on E-Cigarettes by Big Pharma-Funded Scientists


    NZ
    Gough: Making it hard access e-cigarette products 'needlessly meddling'

    Vaping laws 'needless meddling' | Stuff.co.nz


    Australia
    E-cig seller in court over non-toxic claim

    E-cig seller in court over non-toxic claim



    Taiwan
    HPA to push for change to e-cigarette regulation

    HPA to push for change to e-cigarette regulation - Taipei Times



    Is Big Tobacco An Ally of Vaping?

    Is Big Tobacco An Ally of Vaping? - ChurnMag



    Is Big Tobacco Hurting or Helping the Ecig Cause?

    Is Big Tobacco Hurting or Helping the Ecig Cause?



    New Studies Underway To Examine Health Impacts Of Vaping Compared To Smoking

    New Studies Underway To Examine Health Impacts Of Vaping Compared To Smoking - ChurnMag



    We Don't Need 'Decades of Research' to Know Vaping Is Safer Than Smoking

    We Don't Need 'Decades of Research' to Know Vaping Is Safer Than Smoking - Hit & Run : Reason.com



    Another sigh study
    Nic & Tob Res



    expert reaction to study on e-cig advertising

    expert reaction to study on e-cig advertising | Science Media Centre



    vaping post
    WHO repeats tired arguments as pro-vape campaigns gather strength

    WHO repeats tired arguments as pro-vape campaigns gather strength | Vaping Post



    First generation Ecigs do help patients curb craving for cigarettes

    First generation Ecigs do help patients curb craving for cigarettes | Vaping Post




    Misleading news about vaping based on reheated discoveries

    Misleading news about vaping based on reheated discoveries | Vaping Post
    “But I don’t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
    "Oh, you can’t help that," said the Cat: "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
    "How do you know I’m mad?" said Alice.
    "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.”
    Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland






    Comic Database: Steve Hughes... Offended?
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    I appreciate you posting these links regularly rebel. Thanks for all of the effort.

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    In a perfect world...

    This should be on cigarette packets instead of pictures of eyeballs?

    Last edited by fabricator4; 12-09-16 at 07:29 AM.
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    By Dr Farsalinos


    New study proves there is no second-hand vaping: e-cigarette aerosol contains less volatile compounds than normal exhaled breath

    New study proves there is no second-hand vaping: e-cigarette aerosol contains less volatile compounds than normal exhaled breath


    Whoops forgot to look at date before posting (Was from social media) - Oh well still relevant and chromatography is real science ... so am not worried


    (Chromatography/ spectrometry- a machine that sorts out the base components (to the moleccular level) of any substance and idententifies them along with the amount - results are then cross referenced with data bases - there are some flaws (like outdated info on nicotine) but still considered in science circles almost as good as DNA testing)
    Last edited by rebelagainstthemachine; 12-09-16 at 11:08 AM.
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    “But I don’t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
    "Oh, you can’t help that," said the Cat: "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
    "How do you know I’m mad?" said Alice.
    "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.”
    Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland






    Comic Database: Steve Hughes... Offended?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs











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    So ...
    Ballymena man found guilty of drink driving despite e-cigarette vaping claim

    Ballymena man found guilty of drink driving despite e-cigarette vaping claim - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk



    Vaping: A Viable Quitting Method Or A Trendy Hobby?

    Vaping: A Viable Quitting Method Or A Trendy Hobby? | Huffington Post



    And this was published (couldnt get the whole story sorry)
    Vaping is linked to deadly lung infections

    Vaping is linked to deadly lung infections | News | The Times & The Sunday Times


    Which contradicts this

    Respiratory infections and pneumonia: potential benefits of switching from smoking to vaping

    https://pneumonia.biomedcentral.com/...479-016-0001-2


    and this new study is out - which makes you wonder how the hell kids aged 11- 16 would get thier vape gear in the first place (although personally for some I know I would still prefer them vaping rather than smoking)


    E-cigarette adverts could encourage children to take up tobacco, warn Cambridge scientists
    E-cigarette adverts could encourage children to take up tobacco, warn Cambridge scientists | Cambridge News

    full study here
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0906103309.htm


    Perhaps this student paper can shed some light on whats happening with the underage groups
    Underage smokers fuming over new tobacco law

    The Orion : Underage smokers fuming over new tobacco law



    Then there is NZ
    Health professionals called upon to learn about vaping

    Health professionals called upon to learn about vaping | Scoop News




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    “But I don’t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
    "Oh, you can’t help that," said the Cat: "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
    "How do you know I’m mad?" said Alice.
    "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.”
    Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland






    Comic Database: Steve Hughes... Offended?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs











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    Bogus vape study connected to big pharma

    Bogus vape study connected to big pharma - Vaping360


    The Australian newspaper today (full article cause some will be able to read while others wont)
    Junk science damages health as experts get risks wrong

    Nocookies | The Australian

    One of the most salutary examples of people in authority getting risks wrong is a paper written in 1955 by the first head of the environmental cancer section of the US National Cancer Institute, Wilhelm Hueper.

    The title was “Lung cancers and their causes” and he was absolutely convinced that “cigarette smoking is not a major factor in the causation of lung cancer”. He thought this was a cheap shot by the chemical industry to divert attention away from pesticides.


    We now know that smoking is a major cause of lung cancer, whereas pesticides are not. History is littered with examples of experts being too reassuring about some risks, too alarmist about others. Not washing hands between dissecting women who died in childbirth and delivering babies? No risk, said the 19th-century medical establishment, ostracising Ignaz Semmelweis who’d had the temerity to suggest otherwise. Dietary fats cause heart attacks, insisted the medical establishment for the best part of five decades until very recently. It was once the consensus that tonsils should be removed whenever possible; no longer.
    So I am no fan of arguing from authority on matters of risk. It’s evidence that counts, especially randomised controlled trials, the gold standard of science. The study published last week finding that statins are relatively safe, and that prescribing them to healthy people at even low risk of heart attacks should save many lives, made this point. The authors argued that the pro-statin evidence comes from randomised controlled trials, while the anti-statin arguments “reflect a failure to recognise the limitations of other sources of evidence”, a polite way of saying they are health-fad claptrap.
    The heart-protecting benefits of anti-cholesterol statins have been found to far outnumber the side-effects after a scientific review blamed shoddy research for scaring people and consequently putting lives at risk. Picture: AFP



    The argument is not that statins are risk-free but that the benefits outweigh the risks: it’s the relative risk that counts. Large, randomised trials find that statins greatly reduce the risk of heart attacks and strokes each year that they continue to be taken. That benefit far outweighs the relatively modest risks from side-effects. Notice that it’s the evidence that is convincing, not the authority of those presenting it. I could not care less that there is a medical consensus that statins are safe unless that consensus is based on good evidence.
    The opposition to vaping provides a contrasting example where prejudice against tobacco products seems to have closed the minds of the medical establishment. Until recently most public health experts made precisely the same mistake with electronic cigarettes that the opponents of statins make — thinking only of the risk of vaping, not the benefit. Recent headlines such as “Vaping as bad for your heart as smoking cigarettes, study finds” were based not on a randomised controlled trial measuring the risks and benefits of both, but on one very limited small study of one largely irrelevant effect reported at a conference.


    Worse, that study compared 30 minutes of vaping with five minutes of smoking and concluded that both can induce temporary arterial stiffening, a well-known effect of nicotine that has not been linked to disease, and that is also produced by caffeine. The damaging effect of smoking, both to the heart and in terms of cancer risk, comes not from nicotine at all but from combustion products. So the headlines were based on junk science. They could have read: “Vaping no worse for you than coffee, study finds”.
    Tobacco-control advocates say the “endgame” for smoking will have been reached in a country when its smoking rate falls below 5 per cent. This is a very long way off as global rates continue to rise and smoking remains common even in countries with strong tobacco-control policies.
    However, one country is fast heading towards achieving the endgame result. According to government figures, only 6 per cent of Sweden’s young men regularly smoked last year. The only plausible explanation for this extreme outlier is that 25 per cent of Swedish men use “snus”, a sort of tobacco tea-bag pressed against the gums — and do so instead of smoking.
    Sweden is the only country in the EU where Snus is legal. As a result, Sweden is the country with the lowest rate of lung cancer among men. Picture: Supplied

    As a result, not only is Sweden on the way to becoming the first country to get below 5 per cent of men smoking but it is the country with the lowest rate of lung cancer among men in Europe (it’s higher among Swedish women, who don’t use snus much), as well as having low rates of other smoking-related illnesses such as heart disease: a spectacular case of harm reduction that puts even statins in the shade.
    Acknowledging this data, America’s Food and Drug Administration last year authorised snus to help protect public health. The European Union has not followed suit. This health-protecting product is not just discouraged, it is still wholly illegal throughout the EU — except in Sweden. Herein lies an interesting tale. When Sweden joined the EU in 1995 its snus habit became an issue in the negotiation. The country was reluctant to accept a ban on such a popular product which, even then, was obviously a safer alternative to smoking.
    So the EU was forced to make an exemption for Sweden. To this day, 21 years later, you can legally buy and sell snus in the EU only in Sweden. Britain, incidentally, led the charge to ban snus within the EU and its government remains impervious to the evidence cited above. Many millions of lives could have been saved without that prohibition.
    In preparation for a big conference on the subject, the World Health Organisation last week set out a list of things it wants countries to do to hamper the growth of vaping, such as a ban on advertising. It says not a word about trying to overturn the total bans on vaping in many countries, even though it is now very clear that vaping is mainly done by smokers and that it reduces the risks of smoking-related illnesses drastically — by 95 per cent according to Public Health England.


    There is no fundamental difference between vaping (or snus) and statins. All treat conditions that carry high future risks: smoking addiction and high cholesterol. All carry risks themselves but much smaller ones than their benefits. Just as taking statins is better for you than not taking statins if you are at risk of heart disease, so switching to vaping or snus is far better for you than continuing to smoke.
    The Times
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    “But I don’t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
    "Oh, you can’t help that," said the Cat: "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
    "How do you know I’m mad?" said Alice.
    "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.”
    Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland






    Comic Database: Steve Hughes... Offended?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs











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    80% of Malaysians say health improved after switching to vape: Study


    80% of Malaysians say health improved after switching to vape: Study | theSundaily
    “But I don’t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
    "Oh, you can’t help that," said the Cat: "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
    "How do you know I’m mad?" said Alice.
    "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.”
    Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland






    Comic Database: Steve Hughes... Offended?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs











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    I used to get infective exacerbation almost weekly, always on antibiotics. Feeling near death.

    Not one chest infection since starting to vape 5 months now.

    Where do these idiots come up with this rubbish? What are his statements based on? Flawed personal opinion?

    Unbelievable
    Smoke free since april 2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wombats1 View Post
    I used to get infective exacerbation almost weekly, always on antibiotics. Feeling near death.

    Not one chest infection since starting to vape 5 months now.

    Where do these idiots come up with this rubbish? What are his statements based on? Flawed personal opinion?

    Unbelievable
    It comes from finding an immune system response in laboratory tests, and falsely making claims about what this means. Pretty much the pattern for most anti vaping research - stiffening of the heart muscles, youth vaping, popcorn lung etc etc.


    Here's a letter from Clive Bates to Mitch Zellar:

    You want a debate about nicotine? Let’s have one. Letter to Mitch Zeller, America’s vape regulator « The counterfactual

    or even deliberately asking the wrong questions of the wrong people:
    http://vaping360.com/bogus-vape-stud...to-big-pharma/
    Last edited by fabricator4; 14-09-16 at 09:27 AM.
    Chris: Tobacco free since 17:00 15th March 2013.

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    well fk me, any of you guys catch the politician speak just now.


    EDIT: Not 1, but 3-4 senators got up one after another talking about Vaping. both the pro's and cons.
    One senator even called chapman on his bullshit and wanted to know why anti smoke has their heads up their asses (hoofprint politics translation)

    i swear i thought i was having a heart attack, id died and went to a place were politicians are actually helpful.
    Last edited by Hoofprint; 14-09-16 at 12:08 PM.

 

 
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