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    Champix - QLD Coroner To Begin Enquiry

    First off, sorry if its been posted already (especially if Rebel has posted it in her news dumps already, i havent had time this week to go through them yet)

    Some may have signed the change.org petition here about this earlier in the year, if not heres the outcome of the petition:

    Oct 6, 2016 — "Drug giant Pfizer has been slammed as stingy for failing to adequately warn Australians *of the risks of its anti-smoking pill Champix, after at least 58 Australians took their lives in just six years while on the medication."

    Hi everyone -

    My fight to bring justice to my son's death after taking Champix - and stop more deaths happening - has had a big moment.

    Finally, the Queensland Coroner is beginning an inquest, which will look at the huge number of suicides linked to Champix in Australia. Hearings are set for 21-22 November - and you can read more in this article in the Australian

    Nocookies | The Australian

    Pfizer need to urgently add an on-the-box warning, just like they have in the US.

    This big step wouldn't of happened without your 48,000 signatures and support, so thank you so much. If you want to get in touch you can here: champix.warnings@gmail.com

    Phoebe


    The text of that story, because most wont be able to see it without a subscription is:

    Health and Science

    Anti-smoking pill the focus of inquest after numerous suicides

    ‘I was really caught unaware’: Phoebe Morwood-Oldham, whose son Timothy hanged himself after taking Champix. Picture: Jerad Williams

    Drug giant Pfizer has been slammed as stingy for failing to adequately warn Australians *of the risks of its anti-smoking pill Champix, after at least 58 Australians took their lives in just six years while on the medication.

    Brisbane coroner John Hutton yesterday opened the first Australian inquest investigating the possible link between Champix and suicide, following the 2013 hanging death of 22-year-old Timothy John after taking the drug for just eight days.

    While the American pill packets are emblazoned with a “black box” warning and contain a leaflet listing potential adverse side-effects, the prescription drug’s Australian packaging is bare and patients must ask pharma*cists for the leaflet.

    Mr Hutton asked yesterday: “That’s just a cost-saving thing, isn’t it? They could actually give it to them, but they’re being a bit mingy and saying you’ve got to ask for it.”

    Counsel assisting the Coroner Peter De Waard replied: “I don’t think that’s what Pfizer would accept, but it’s not unusual for other medications for that leaflet to be provided. So why isn’t it provided in this case?”

    Mr Hutton then said: “Why are the Australian consumers treated in a lesser manner than their American cousins who are on the same drug?”

    The pre-inquest conference was told the National Coronial Information System shows that between 2008 and 2014 there were 58 known suicide cases in Australia that were “potentially associated” with Champix. The number could be much higher.

    Mr Hutton suggested all *suicide deaths in Queensland should be forensically screened for the drug, also called Varenicline, to discover the full extent of the potential problem.

    Mr De Waard said the full *inquest, which is scheduled for November, will hear from expert witness and tobacco treatment specialist associate professor Colin Mendelsohn, who was “as independent as we could find”.

    “In this field, it’s difficult,” Mr De Waard said, adding that the expert had only “minimal” recommendations for change.

    “Almost every expert who is credible in one way or another has links with Pfizer. That may be they’re paid to attend conferences, or they’re paid to conduct research. So Associate Professor Mendelsohn will have some disclosures in that regard, and he’s quite upfront about it.”

    John’s mother, Phoebe Morwood-Oldham, campaigned for the inquest, and said she wanted reform to ensure others didn’t suffer her son’s fate.

    “I’m finding it very difficult, but I’m forcing myself to keep going,” she said. “In the US there are warnings. We want to see in Australia black-box warnings. I was really caught unaware.”
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    When i wanted to quit i asked my doc for Champix, he flat out refused saying "that shit will make you crazy if it dosent kill you outright"
    now that all this crap coming to light.

    god dam it, ive got a debt to repay

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    When they were trying to combat the extra depression i fell into after i was diagnosed with aspergers (and for at least one doctor i became a guinea pig while she tried to "cure" my aspergers), i was trialled on no less than 9 different meds, mostly SSRI's, and almost all of them had some side effect, some worse than others including 2 that gave me what they call suicidal ideation. so i have some understanding of unintended side effects of medications. whta i have respect for is any fricking drug company knowing this and still selling them, and just for pudding, not providing a warning.

    Pfizer need to be fined into the stone age over this
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    I tried it. Didn't finish the first box.

    That was just before I decided to give that silly electronic thing a try. :-D
    Chris: Tobacco free since 17:00 15th March 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stylemessiah View Post
    When they were trying to combat the extra depression i fell into after i was diagnosed with aspergers (and for at least one doctor i became a guinea pig while she tried to "cure" my aspergers), i was trialled on no less than 9 different meds, mostly SSRI's, and almost all of them had some side effect, some worse than others including 2 that gave me what they call suicidal ideation. so i have some understanding of unintended side effects of medications. whta i have respect for is any fricking drug company knowing this and still selling them, and just for pudding, not providing a warning.

    Pfizer need to be fined into the stone age over this
    SSRI's dont work on me full stop, the side effects do in spades just not the benefits.
    im old school with the NaSSA's, less side effects and anything with enough sedation to knock me out is worthy of respect
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    Quote Originally Posted by fabricator4 View Post
    I tried it. Didn't finish the first box.

    That was just before I decided to give that silly electronic thing a try. :-D
    I tried it. Didn't finish the first box.
    Got so depressed, I stopped taking tablets.
    Started smoking again, the MAOIs kicked in, felt bullet proof.

    So to make sure I've done all the dumb things, tried again ?!?
    Didn't finish the box.
    Got so depressed I stopped taking tablets again, that may have saved me.

    A closer look at the long & short term side effects may be in order here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snidely_Whiplash View Post
    I tried it. Didn't finish the first box.
    Got so depressed, I stopped taking tablets.
    Started smoking again, the MAOIs kicked in, felt bullet proof.

    So to make sure I've done all the dumb things, tried again ?!?
    Didn't finish the box.
    Got so depressed I stopped taking tablets again, that may have saved me.

    A closer look at the long & short term side effects may be in order here.

    See:
    Yes. I just lost interest in taking the Champix. Dying of smoking related diseases didn't really bother me any more. In other words for those that get depressed, it's almost certain that they'll start smoking again. That's if you're lucky. I consider myself lucky that I didn't get the extremely weird, disturbing and vivid dreams that some people report - that major head buck (no that's not a 'b') seems to be what pushes some people that bit too far.

    Conversely, I do get vivid dreams on nicotine if I vape a lot too late at night. It seems to activate the visual part of my brain and throws up strange images, colours, stuff like that. It's hypnotic and I can use it to go sleep, as strange as that sounds, and I wake up completely refreshed. It's like it puts me straight into REM sleep.
    Chris: Tobacco free since 17:00 15th March 2013.

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    I tried Champix and it worked for me. The dreams were awesome and vivid also, it was like going to a movie theatre every night at bed. Loved it!

    Of course I started smoking again within a month of stopping the pills.
    "Go away and come back when you understand better." he said. He would not let me pass.

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    Wasnt pretty (im pretty ugly anyway) had to stop using them, turns out Doctor should not have prescribed anyway, long term clinical depression and Champix, not a good idea. But a sign of my desperation to give up, took another 2 years before I found Vaping and never looked back it was so easy, I was stunned when I learned it was the bad way to quit (middle digit raised at Tobacco control CC, HF and quit) and that not one health professional recommended vaping as a viable method to get off tobacco.

    6 months now
    Smoke free since april 2016

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    When I attempted to quit vaping recently, I went 2 whole days without nicotine and I went through a series of emotional states.

    At first I gained clarity and focus like nothing I felt before. I felt clearer and more motivated without nicotine.

    But eventually a deep depression starts to sink in and I begin contemplating suicide, and its usually at that point I go back to vaping. I'm sure if I push through hard enough I could eventually do it, and I probably will one day - it will be easier now that I've minimised my vaping inventory.

    Champix blocks nicotine from attaching to the receptors. The person is essentially undergoing chemical cold turkey quitting. They are basically forced into the depression that nicotine withdrawal brings with it.

    In my case, I'm well aware of what Im doing and I know I can end the depression easily by vaping. I can then take from the experience knowledge on how to fight it another day and aim next time to make it to 3 days.

    However those on Champix arent really aware of whats going on inside their system, and probably see no other way out.
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