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    Government taxing smokers to the point of homelessness?

    http://www.communitynews.com.au/mand...-him-homeless/

    How the hell is this news? Someone set up a gofundme for this guy


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    It needs to be news - if there were more news like this ANTZ wouldnt get away with the shit they do

    To my own knowledge - qualitative and quantitative impact studies have not really been done on the human cost of anti smoking policies on real humans and the poor and disadvantaged who smoking interestingly affects the most, (If they have been they are being kept quiet)

    There is an assumption that smoking is bad therefore the policies work and anything that does not fall into that is collateral damage that can be swallowed for the greater good (Meanwhile we dont really hear how never smokers are now getting lung cancers at alarming rates- and almost nothing is being said about it- nothing to do with smoking)

    If there were more stories like this just maybe there would be a call by the public and medical proffessionals (as well as social professionals) to re-evaluate not only the cost benefits of anti smoking policies but also highlight the need for for low cost, easy to access harm reduction strategies like vaping and snus

    This story also reminds me of this one a little while ago in which I was actually surprised by the public's sympathy towards the man and praising the hospitals decision to let him both smoke and drink wine

    Denmark hospital grants dying man final wish of cigarette and wine while watching sunset - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

    Its been said many times that smoking is harder than heroin to give up - and yet we have no real viable harm reduction strategies (even vaping is being watered down) - interesting considering almost every other addict of other descriptions has someone in their corner fighting for them in some way
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    Quote Originally Posted by rebelagainstthemachine View Post
    It needs to be news - if there were more news like this ANTZ wouldnt get away with the shit they do

    To my own knowledge - qualitative and quantitative impact studies have not really been done on the human cost of anti smoking policies on real humans and the poor and disadvantaged who smoking interestingly affects the most, (If they have been they are being kept quiet)

    There is an assumption that smoking is bad therefore the policies work and anything that does not fall into that is collateral damage that can be swallowed for the greater good (Meanwhile we dont really hear how never smokers are now getting lung cancers at alarming rates- and almost nothing is being said about it- nothing to do with smoking)

    If there were more stories like this just maybe there would be a call by the public and medical proffessionals (as well as social professionals) to re-evaluate not only the cost benefits of anti smoking policies but also highlight the need for for low cost, easy to access harm reduction strategies like vaping and snus

    This story also reminds me of this one a little while ago in which I was actually surprised by the public's sympathy towards the man and praising the hospitals decision to let him both smoke and drink wine

    Denmark hospital grants dying man final wish of cigarette and wine while watching sunset - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

    Its been said many times that smoking is harder than heroin to give up - and yet we have no real viable harm reduction strategies (even vaping is being watered down) - interesting considering almost every other addict of other descriptions has someone in their corner fighting for them in some way
    I'd still be smoking if I didn't start vaping. It was sending me broke 4 years ago and I was coughing my guts up. I don't have to vape every hour (I'd use to have to go for a smoke every hour) so work benefits too. Win win situation all around
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    Quote Originally Posted by rebelagainstthemachine View Post
    Its been said many times that smoking is harder than heroin to give up - and yet we have no real viable harm reduction strategies (even vaping is being watered down) - interesting considering almost every other addict of other descriptions has someone in their corner fighting for them in some way
    I'm sure it will go that way when smoking is too expensive and smokers turn to crime to get their nico fix. My biggest problem with what this guy is saying is the “The price hikes are not helping anyone but the government” comment he makes yet over $30billion goes into health care and prevention of smoking. Smokers just seem to think the taxes on smokes pays for government holidays when it actually makes a splash in a sink full of cash the government put into tobacco. As for heroin and other illegal drugs, I'm sure if a drug dealer was willing to put in a tax return the government wouldn't bat an eye in taking their cut.

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    Die in a ditch, filth dirty smoker !!!
    Mean while;
    1 - Tobacco smuggling is at a all time high
    2 - The crime rates are rising
    3 - The homeless death rates are rising
    Can we really afford these Tobacco tax hikes?

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    Yeah am not against taxes (cept when I have been working stupid long hours and too many of them and realize just how much tax I am paying and just how many days I have worked to cover my taxes ) but the distribution of taxes and how taxpayers of all kinds of kinds are being treated is another thing for me

    BY all means tax away but be fair about it - smokers already pay more than their fair share of taxes while being shat on by everyone- The rational for taxing smokers the way they do is shady at best and again its the poorest paying the highest rate

    Small things come to mind - when I think of smoking taxes

    snus has just about wiped out real smoking in sweden and thats all taxed

    Taxed cannabis in the US has helped wipe out some states debts and even in some cases made profit for some of thier state govts

    Vaping is known effective for helping smoking cessation - but Aussie govt is content to water it down and play games of monopoly with it instead of allowing it

    Meanwhile we have huge black markets - very little in harm reduction and the poor simply get poorer (Which also happens to affect lung and other cancer rates which thanks to eco rationalism is also helping send people to the wall with attached costs)

    If they ANTZ and the govt really gave a shit about smokers and potential smokers they would reconfigure how things are done and at least start and consider some real unbiased research

    Meh thats my take on it



    Oh and I am supposing I should edit the last sentence of my first post - it came out wrong - not that none is batting for smokers - moreso that harm reduction and honest openess in relation to smokers is drowned out by all with a stake in smoking and smoking prevention for the greater good which in turn prevents real discussion about harm reduction and good economic policy


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    Quote Originally Posted by rebelagainstthemachine View Post
    Yeah am not against taxes (cept when I have been working stupid long hours and too many of them and realize just how much tax I am paying and just how many days I have worked to cover my taxes ) but the distribution of taxes and how taxpayers of all kinds of kinds are being treated is another thing for me

    BY all means tax away but be fair about it - smokers already pay more than their fair share of taxes while being shat on by everyone- The rational for taxing smokers the way they do is shady at best and again its the poorest paying the highest rate

    Small things come to mind - when I think of smoking taxes

    snus has just about wiped out real smoking in sweden and thats all taxed

    Taxed cannabis in the US has helped wipe out some states debts and even in some cases made profit for some of thier state govts

    Vaping is known effective for helping smoking cessation - but Aussie govt is content to water it down and play games of monopoly with it instead of allowing it

    Meanwhile we have huge black markets - very little in harm reduction and the poor simply get poorer (Which also happens to affect lung and other cancer rates which thanks to eco rationalism is also helping send people to the wall with attached costs)

    If they ANTZ and the govt really gave a shit about smokers and potential smokers they would reconfigure how things are done and at least start and consider some real unbiased research

    Meh thats my take on it



    Oh and I am supposing I should edit the last sentence of my first post - it came out wrong - not that none is batting for smokers - moreso that harm reduction and honest openess in relation to smokers is drowned out by all with a stake in smoking and smoking prevention for the greater good which in turn prevents real discussion about harm reduction and good economic policy


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    Well said Reb,
    Not only are the economically disadvantaged being taxed to proportions beyond their means but also consider this:
    How many hospital beds are being tied up with smoke related illness?
    The Flu season is about to hit if hasn't already and major public hospitals have no beds for people that need them.
    People that have paid taxes all their lives as blue collar workers and not being able to afford private health are being treated as 2nd class citizens if not 3rd when it comes to medical treatment if all they have is Medicare.
    Getting to see a specialist if you on Medicare and if you are lucky enough to find one that bulk bills takes forever, if, however you offer to pay them cash then you get in super quick.
    Yes people have to pay taxes, but by question is: WTF do you get in return for all the taxes you have paid all your life. Answer: S.F.A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snidely_Whiplash View Post
    Die in a ditch, filth dirty smoker !!!
    Mean while;
    1 - Tobacco smuggling is at a all time high
    2 - The crime rates are rising
    3 - The homeless death rates are rising
    Can we really afford these Tobacco tax hikes?
    We cannot afford them Snidley but the Govt certainly thinks we can. If you are poor and a smoker, either starve or smoke or do crime to support your habit.

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    For those of us on Centrelink, other than aged pension, won't be vaping or smoking soon if the Cashless Welfare Card is allowed to go National or even continue in the 'so-called' trial communities. That my friends, will put a whole new strain on vaping (and smoking) for everyone on Centrelink.

    If you're on Centrelink payments and don't know about the Cashless Welfare Card may I suggest you get educated there also. If this card is introduced (and could be in next weeks buget) you can say good-bye to buying anything to do with vaping unless it's within your alotted 20% cash you are given to spend in your local vape shop.

    Hmmm!... me thinks a new thread for this topic may be warranted?
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    Yep this is another something not being talked about by anyone at all really esp in terms of harm reduction and how many will sell their pin numbers for less than their cash value to buy whatever ..... meaning more hunger and poverty




    Quote Originally Posted by Jemor View Post
    For those of us on Centrelink, other than aged pension, won't be vaping or smoking soon if the Cashless Welfare Card is allowed to go National or even continue in the 'so-called' trial communities. That my friends, will put a whole new strain on vaping (and smoking) for everyone on Centrelink.

    If you're on Centrelink payments and don't know about the Cashless Welfare Card may I suggest you get educated there also. If this card is introduced (and could be in next weeks buget) you can say good-bye to buying anything to do with vaping unless it's within your alotted 20% cash you are given to spend in your local vape shop.

    Hmmm!... me thinks a new thread for this topic may be warranted?
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