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Thread: English tobacco control plan embraces tobacco harm reduction – world first

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    English tobacco control plan embraces tobacco harm reduction – world first

    From Clive Bates. sorry if posted elsewhere
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    "The Department of Health (UK/England) today released its tobacco control plan for England: Towards a smoke-free generation: tobacco control plan for England (PDF)

    The embrace of vaping and other low-risk alternatives to smoking runs through the text. This is probably the first significant government policy paper anywhere that recognises and pursues the opportunities of tobacco harm reduction, rather than defining these technologies as a threat to be suppressed. For that, the Department of Health and its allies deserve considerable credit."

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    This is certainly a very encouraging development. There is an extraordinary opportunity to fundamentally change the forecast of future smoking related deaths, disease and disability. We’ve known for decades that a key component to accomplishing this is ridding consumers of the need to inhale smoke to get nicotine. While most governments are still failing a ‘vision test’ it is great to see England recognising the opportunity, following the science, respecting consumer rights and showing leadership.

    In my experience, good policy is contagious. We can only hope England has developed something that spreads quickly.
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    Colin Mendelsohn comments on his blog

    Enlightened UK report on tobacco harm reduction has important lessons for Australia

    Posted by DrMendelsohn on 18 July, 2017
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    Dr Colin Mendelsohn - Tobacco Treatment Specialist :: Enlightened UK report on tobacco harm reduction has important lessons for Australia

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    Should we be making submissions to the senate enquiry into Vaporised Nicotine Products Bill 2017 as well?

    There does not appear to a "terms of reference" for this inquiry, by which I take it to mean that the proposed bill is the terms of reference.

    This would make it a lot more complicated for people who want to make a submission, unless there are clear guidelines on how to do this.

    I can see another round of "Astroturfing" squealing coming from Chapman LOL
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    It appears to me that Vaping could be advertised as an alternative to combustibles. Yay for the discussion to be more in the mainstream other than be portrayed or ignored totally and put in the dark corner and naughty step.
    Further studies should and need to be instigated as to the effects of e-cigs both short & long term. The affects and effects of cigarettes & their harm has reached 'toddlerhood' in the studies done in the last 50 years. Who knows where vaping will be in the next 50?
    Retrospect shows that not all that long ago it was socially acceptable to smoke and 9 outta 10 doctors recommended this brand and, it was 'cool'. It did a lot for the urban types to see what a horse and a cowboy actually looked like.
    "Let 'er rip Boris!" made it into the language! Then, that's advertising "Anyhow*". It amazes me that alcohol is one of the worst offenders socially and emotionally in a huge number of people and scenarios and is well documented.
    If they could only bottle self control and an individuals' own regulation and common sense give & the nanny state a holiday, we would all benefit as long as ignorance and intolerance is called for what it is. Shields up!
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    But realistically, the harm of tobacco smoking was known very early on, by the tobacco industry. Who knows how early? They will certainly never let that answer into the public realm, but it was absolutely, positively known decades before even the thought entered the public consciousness.

    Vaping, however has been proactive right from the start. We (or at least many of us) genuinely want to know what the long term risks are going to be, from vaping. A number of very large brained folk have been researching, testing and questioning this new technology from the view point of genuine interest, not vested interest. That is the biggest difference,in relation to the early days of cigarettes.

    It is undoubtably safer than smoking, regardless of what harm it may do, so even as a stepping stone towards total abstinence, we the ex-smoking vapers are in front. This is the only technology, since the discovery of tobacco harm, that is truly showing a very high success rate for quitting. I am more concerned now that the capitalist mindset turns this very effective tool into the next must have plaything, for the masses. How much time and effort is being spent on new low wattage MTL technologies, for assisting long term smokers off the stinkies? It's the greed, and search for market expansion that is going to give SC, and his ilk the biggest leg up in the future.
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    The kids coming up in the 12 to 18 age group will very likely decide that both smoking and vaping look pretty silly. Hopefully there will be a big decline in the number of young people taking up smoking in the first place.
    I suspect most school age kids rather disapprove of smoking nowadays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gert View Post
    The kids coming up in the 12 to 18 age group will very likely decide that both smoking and vaping look pretty silly. Hopefully there will be a big decline in the number of young people taking up smoking in the first place.
    I suspect most school age kids rather disapprove of smoking nowadays.
    I think that has been the case for a long time. I didn't start smoking because I thought it was a good thing. I started because it let me hang out with the cool kids who where older than me. Smoking was so addictive however, that a few packs sneakily smoked turned into what would become a lifelong habit until vaping intervened. I never would have experimented with smoking if was not for that, in fact I was dead set against picking up the habit.

    I think it far more likely many of the at-risk kids will try vaping instead of smoking, find that it's really not that addictive or interesting even if they do use nicotine, and move on to other things having never (or rarely) smoked a cigarette.

    Kids definitely will experiment, but as with anything when they find out what it's about, in the absence of a dependency they'll eventually just move on. Sure some will think it's silly and never go there, but even as kids, we are all different.
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    Purists may say 'The human body needs replenishment and nourishment from nought but nutritious food, hydration, unpolluted air. exercise and stimulation of the grey matter via thought, mindfulness and knowledge'. I just have to go now and club myself a mate and a 4 course meal.
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    the purist do have something ... lol !
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    Quote Originally Posted by gert View Post
    The kids coming up in the 12 to 18 age group will very likely decide that both smoking and vaping look pretty silly. Hopefully there will be a big decline in the number of young people taking up smoking in the first place.
    I suspect most school age kids rather disapprove of smoking nowadays.
    The thing that turned my kids off 20 years ago, long before the current bans etc was the primary school initiative. They learned in primary school about the hazards of cigarette smoke and came home and told me I had to quit. There are only 2 of my kids friends who have ever smoked and one has since given up, so if kids are still smoking then maybe they need to look at if they are still doing this stuff in schools.
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