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Thread: The TGA just gave us some more ammo without realizing it!

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    The TGA just gave us some more ammo without realizing it!

    I'm subscribed to the "Department of Health and Ageing" media releases and today's annouced access to a TGA database where you can search on adverse reactions to approved medicines.

    Database of Adverse Event Notifications

    You can search by product name or by active ingrediant. This is where it gets interesting. If you use nicotine you get 32 different products (excluding the listing for "cigarettes"). The products, as expected, are the different forms of NRT (patches, inhaler, gum and lozenges).

    So what does the database report?

    Between 1971 and 2010 (which is actually too broad since NRT wasn't available until the late 80's if memory serves):

    Number of reports (cases): 938

    Number of cases with a single suspected medicine: 850

    Number of cases where death was a reported outcome: 3


    So the "approved" NRT methods have killed 3 people since they have been on the market. E-cigs have been available for almost 10 years and not a single death has been reported. Any other adverse reaction would be the same as the other NRT's (or the same as smoking too many ciggies in a short period of time).

    Thanks TGA. I know you didn't mean it, but you've just helped prove the case that not only are e-cigs more effictive than NRT, they're also safer.

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    Hahaha ... That's awesome

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    Rather vape than die from other NRTs.
    Does it say what NRT the people that died were on, when it happened?
    Is Champix grouped in the same catagory as NRTs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noe View Post
    Rather vape than die from other NRTs
    Hell yeah.

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    wow just did a search on Champix, here is the results between 1990 -2012:

    Search results

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    Number of reports (cases): 1660

    Number of cases with a single suspected medicine: 1583

    Number of cases where death was a reported outcome: 25
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    Do a search on Zyban. I was hospitalized and almost died from taking that, and I was only 2 tablets into the box!

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    Between 01/01/1990 - 03/05/2012.
    Selected medicines
    Trade name Active ingredients
    Zyban Bupropion Hydrochloride
    Zyban SR Bupropion Hydrochloride

    Search results

    The results are shown in two tabs.

    Number of reports (cases): 1949

    Number of cases with a single suspected medicine: 1788

    Number of cases where death was a reported outcome: 25

    Even worse.
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    Yeah, I love being a guinea pig for the big pharma companies. Bastards!

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    an important thing to do with this is not just focus on the deaths caused. sure, they're an important part of it. but the simple fact is that while PV's have been around for about a decade. stats like this don't exist for us. outside of our collective experience. so focussing on the immediate effects of other NRT's like skin reactions, nausea, headaches, dizziness and the like would also be to our advantage. some of us have adverse reactions to PG, and for that, there is VG (it also negates the whole "but you're inhaling antifreeze!!! bullshit).

    also, focussing on stats for the same time period that PV's have been around and in widespread use in australia.

    so for 2009-2012 with conventional NRT's (patches and the like, champix, and zyban)

    we have 1235 adverse reactions where one drug (the NRT) is the cause.

    and with champix, just in those 3 years, 21 deaths, all as a result of phyciatric disorders, including 17 suicides.

 

 

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