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    My personal path to vaping, hard learned, easy taught

    Ok please note that ALL of the following info is from links I've had to spend weeks finding and reading so this is just my attempt to distill some of that info for new users. Some people will disagree, of this I'm certain, but I only speak for myself so please feel free to do your own investigating to find your own info as this is perhaps just a place to START, not END. All the links are just the ones I used to build my first ecigs so I could get started easily and quickly. I'm pretty new to this vaping thing but I catch on reasonably quickly and since this is such a great community I thought the least I could do was share what little I've learned so far.

    There is a HUGE amount of information out there on ecigs and vaping and it's hard to follow sometimes, so here are some of the highlights to get started with...

    This forum following is arguably one of the most comprehensive, and least comprehensible, forums in the world for ecigs info, but it's a HUGE site, so here's an FAQ for you to make it a little easier> http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ ... ettes.html eveything from health information to some definitions you'll come across as you delve deeper into this mystery that's called vaping on an ecig.

    And this is one of the best EVER writeups I've seen for anything let alone ecigs info from go to whoa > http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ ... 1-6-a.html . Read all 6 parts of that and you'll be an expert

    One of the most important things you need from an ecig is what they call the throat hit, the feeling you get now but don't think about when having an analog cig, or analcig as I abbreviate it to. I have worked out for myself that the best way to get that throat hit is from the amount of nicoteine and the amount of vapour needed to make it feel like a real cig puts out by using VG or vegetable glycerin, available from chemists as Glycerol B.P. which can be used to cut the higher nicoteine level ejuices. You're better off getting High nicoteine based flavours initially as it's very easy to dilute/cut them down to the level you require than it is to make them higher strength nicoteine. You should always have some water to sip on while vaping (new term to learn, it's the replacement for smoking) as the PG is a humectant meaning it will dry your throat, and if you have a dry throat you lose some of the effect of the throat hit and it won't be as enjoyable and we DO NOT want anyone slipping back to smoking analcigs, ever!

    The "official" and fabylously helpful Australian forum for ecig people is at index.php and on Whirlpool (an Australian online community) there are about 4 huge forum threads as well full of info at Part 1 - http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-re ... ?t=1431756 and Part 2 is at http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-re ... ?t=1450716

    For me, from all my own research, the best ecig is the DSE901 to start with, and change later once you get the hang of it, because it combines the good vapour amount with the good throat hit required, which is also more evident with a higher mg of nicoteine. I'm currently vaping 24mg and was only a 15 to 20 a day smoker. There are a million and one different mods (modifications) that you will most likely purchase afterwards but for me this was a great place to start the process and learn heaps in the beginning about what I like and don't like to help me make better choices for myself later on.

    Atomisers, or atty's as they get abbreviated to, tend to last only 2 weeks to 2 months so always make sure you have enough to last until your next shipment comes in as you don't want to slip back to normal cigs while you wait if they die unexpectedly.

    This site is in China but they shipped to me in Brisbane within about 6 days including the weekend...

    http://www.eastmall.net/product_info.ph ... cts_id/711 - a DSE901 starter kit - you will also need a cheapie US to Australia plug adaptor for this too as it comes with a US plug, available from places like **** Smith Electronics, harvey norman etc..

    You will also need the following...

    http://www.eastmall.net/product_info.ph ... cts_id/788 - 3 spare manual batteries (don't mess with the auto ones initially as they're hard to learn to suck on properly
    http://www.eastmall.net/product_info.ph ... cts_id/785 - 3 spare atomisers (there are different colours so pick the ones you like)
    http://www.eastmall.net/product_info.ph ... cts_id/841 - get this sampler to get started, grab the 26mg nicoteine ones as you can dilute them easily with extra liquid or even water (or Glycerol B.P. (VG) from the chemists is much better than water) but it's hard to make them stronger if you get the weaker ones. Down the bottom in the Bonus section get one each of the PG and VG at 36mg strength as well for when you get the flavours from the delightful lady at http://juicewhore.com/shop/index.php here in australia with no nicoteine in them. Bear in mind that the flavours you pick today won't necessarily be the same flavours you like even as soon as tomorrow. My current fave is 555 (tobacco type flavour) mixed equally with Menthol. You might hate Menthol cigs normally, as did I, but in an ecig it's pretty darn awesome. You might also like the Ruyan (Ruy4) and some of the other tobacco type flavours like Marlboro or Camel etc, but also get some Cherry and fruity flaves too as they're nice mixers too. Most coffee ones from there aren't much good I've heard but feel free to try some yourself of course.

    Get about 10 of the 5ml http://www.heaven-gifts.com/index.php?g ... oductname= and 10 of the 10ml bottles from this site for your own mixing and dilutions - http://www.heaven-gifts.com/index.php?g ... oductname=

    One or two of these depending on if you both have computers you sit at, as it saves your batteries for while you're outside - http://www.heaven-gifts.com/index.php?g ... oductname=

    2 of these adaptors for use with the charger you'll get with the starter kit from the other site - http://www.heaven-gifts.com/index.php?g ... oductname=

    From this aussie site grab a pair of tweezers (these are small enough for the cartidges work) as well as 3 or 4 bags of the blue foam from http://ecigz.com.au/store/blue-foam/cat_4.html

    From there as well get 1 of these as they come in handy if you have to change atomisers for some reason - http://ecigz.com.au/store/Adapters/901/ ... od_83.html

    Like this USB charger since you'll have quite a few batteries - http://ecigz.com.au/store/Joye-510/USB- ... rod_6.html

    An online mixing calculator so you don't overdose on nicoteine... http://www.todmuller.com/ejuice/ejuice.php

    Last bit for now is the fantastic aussie lady who started her own ejuice shop, with no nicoteine, at http://juicewhore.com/shop/index.php ... grab the doublers as they're designed to mix with strong nicoteine with enough flavour to make them perfect. I got my 15 flavours from her today and they are so awesome it's scary. The Bacon and the Pizza ones are exactly like the real thing!

    Anything else you need, you know where to find me to ask. Sorry there's so much to read but for something so simple but it's damned hard to find all the info in one place. Hope this helps you some on your vaping journey! We all want you to join us happily tasting food again and getting away from the evil that is commercial cigarettes. Your kids and wife and nonsmoking friends will all love you for the change and the lack of disgusting smell all over you.

    For the first time in about 31 years I can really taste food again, yay! And it's only taken me about 6 days to get my sense of smell and taste back again. Who knew that food tasted so nice or that the flowers in my garden smelled so pretty?

    Happy vaping!
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    Re: My personal path to vaping, hard learned, easy taught

    I agree with pretty much all of this, I in fact started with the 901 but made the mistake of going auto, not enough batts and a weak juice. It almost sent me back to smoking.

    I corrected it with my second order, got some higher juices and from there the affair has spread.

    The only thing I might add is another unit to consider as a cheap starter is a 510 Starter kit, its a little different to the 901 and some people like choice!

    I would recommend either.

    Great write up Tex.

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    Re: My personal path to vaping, hard learned, easy taught

    Thanks JatoOspry, appreciate it
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    Re: My personal path to vaping, hard learned, easy taught

    Great summary texacola, very useful for newbies.

    Now I will disagree with your recommendations for what to buy. For someone just dipping their toe in the water I would say get either an Ego or Riva from HG or Eastmall. A couple of spare attys and some juice and that's it. If all your recommendations were followed the postage alone would be huge.

    With either of these models you dont need passthroughs as the battery life is long enough to more than get by, a passthrough reminds me of the days before cordless phones where you were stuck in one place for as long as it took, Likewise an adapter is not required, the USB charger is more than adequate for the job, one battery on the charger while you use the other.

    When your juice bottle is empty keep it for a mix rather than order empty bottles, recycling you know.

    The only other thing you might find handy as a noob if you want to play with flavours is a 3 or 5 ml drawing up syringe (blunt needle) you can get these from chemists or HG.

    When you decide (it usually takes anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes) that vaping is a life changing experience, you can go into an ordering frenzy .

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikyr
    Great summary texacola, very useful for newbies.

    Now I will disagree with your recommendations for what to buy. For someone just dipping their toe in the water I would say get either an Ego or Riva from HG or Eastmall. A couple of spare attys and some juice and that's it. If all your recommendations were followed the postage alone would be huge.

    When you decide (it usually takes anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes) that vaping is a life changing experience, you can go into an ordering frenzy .
    For this reason alone I cant agree with the recommendation of the Ego or the Riva. For what they are they are pretty bloody expensive and I would not suggest dropping 65+ on any ecig until you are sure you are going to continue. With discount you can easily get a 901-510 starter kit for 30-35 dollars at most with the ego and riva being at least double that. They are nice but they are not that much better then standard save for battery life. They certainly dont offer enough of an improvement over the base models to entice a non vaper over into vaping and I would only suggest dropping that much coin once you know vaping is right for you.

    Dont like vaping and buy a 901? 30 bucks last. Buy an Ego and dont like vaping? 60-70-80 lost.

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    Re: My personal path to vaping, hard learned, easy taught

    Quote Originally Posted by JatoOspry

    For this reason alone I cant agree with the recommendation of the Ego or the Riva. For what they are they are pretty bloody expensive and I would not suggest dropping 65+ on any ecig until you are sure you are going to continue. With discount you can easily get a 901-510 starter kit for 30-35 dollars at most with the ego and riva being at least double that. They are nice but they are not that much better then standard save for battery life. They certainly dont offer enough of an improvement over the base models to entice a non vaper over into vaping and I would only suggest dropping that much coin once you know vaping is right for you.

    Dont like vaping and buy a 901? 30 bucks last. Buy an Ego and dont like vaping? 60-70-80 lost.
    100% agree with Jato. The Ego is a proven product and yes it is very good and battery life is amazing but the price tag on it is $70 for a kit. like everyone else who stumbled across vaping, nothing anyone says can make you 100% certain you will stick with vaping or even enjoy it.

    A 510/901 starter kit is more then enough to get anyone started. $35, and a couple of diffrent flavors/nic levels of juice for starters. You find you like the size and discretion of the 510/901? buy a PCC, extra $20 and you get what is the size of a cigarette packet that will keep you on the go all day long and you've still spend less then an ego starter kit.

    Maybe you like the look of the ego? Go ahead and buy it!! you can reuse your attys, carts and juice with it (if you started with a 510 not 901) and will provide the same vaping experience as a 510 so you know you will enjoy it! always very handy to have spare batteries... they will eventually fail, you will need some spares lying around so your not left dry.

    the fact is, most my friends that i've converted to vaping... like the look of the of an analogue. its not only a good starting point but its an excellent device for the price tag!

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    Re: My personal path to vaping, hard learned, easy taught

    Nice list texacola, but yes a little too much just for starting out.

    I started out at the beginning of this month with an elusions starter kit (1x Battery, charger and cartomizers (carto) only) it was enough to realise the potential of e-cigs, just not strong enough as they only go to 16mg.

    Then after reading forums and watching dbn's and other videos I got a 510 starter kit (without atomizers/cartridges) and pre-filled cartomizers as I didn't want to mess around with atomizers, cartridges and juices. It did not take long to realise pre-filled cartomizers where disgusting, so the next order was empty cartomizers, e-juices, a PCC (personal Charging Case) and 1 white manual battery (to use in public).

    24 days later, and my ego (bought as separate parts, 2x batts, cone and USB charger, instead of a kit and saved a lot of $$$) nicotine juice and local juices and more cartomizers are on there way and hoping it arrives tomorrow (or it'll be Monday).

    I was going to venture beyond cartomizers and get an atomizer, but wanted a drip tip instead of cartridges. ecigz.com.au did not have them in stock yet, so next time.

    So you don't need to buy too much to realise if vaping is for you or not before diving in further.

    I also think (well for me at least) having an item resemble a real cigarette is helping me kick the habit, while if I started on an ego/riva etc I'd have probably dropped vaping by now. I'm still trying to find flavours that I like. So far Winston is the only flavour that tastes like a real 16mg analog to me, but I'm still searching.

    I'm still having a couple analogs a day (I think it's my fear of farewelling my old friend of 28-30 years), but I've just finished the last packet on my 1st carton I bought this month. Normally I'd be finishing carton #3

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    Re: My personal path to vaping, hard learned, easy taught

    cheers for the ejuice calculator!

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    Re: My personal path to vaping, hard learned, easy taught

    great post. I want to start now. Why did they make buying the juice illegal? It has to be better than smoking ciggas!

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    Re: My personal path to vaping, hard learned, easy taught

    Thanks for this. I certainly agree with you on grabbing some spare parts with a first order, having had some stuff fail early from my first starter kit and needing to go back to analogs until replacements arrived. And it's certainly annoying when you realise that you'd like a few things that are dirt cheap (bottles for mixing etc) but will need to pay a ridiculous amount in postage to get them. I think an extra charger with any kit order is a must, for convenience and because there is no other way you'll be able to charge those batteries. It may increase your start up cost, but a larger investment can also increase your commitment to switch.

 

 
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