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    Hotcig R150 150W TC mod

    Thanks to Anny our rep from GearBest.com, I have the black HotCig R150 TC mod to review, which was sent to me free for that purpose, it also comes in a silver version.
    Also sent with the R150 to review, was the matching Hotcig Drip Tip which also comes in a wider version.
    As always this review will be my honest, unbiased, opinion of these items.


    UNBOXING:
    The package from GearBest, was sent using FedEx express shipping.
    Despite the adequate packing & bubble wrap used by GearBest, FedEx thought it would be a good idea to play football with my parcel & while the mod & DripTip themselves were fine, their containing packaging was not.

    First the Drip Tip, this comes in a fancy glass vial, with some shredded bamboo (at least I think that is what it is) packing inside it, to prevent the DT moving around & smashing the glass, it is then capped with a cork stopper. Unfortunately, I can not show you a photo of this, due to FedEx's rough handling of my package, so instead here is a picture copied from the GearBest product page:



    Here is the condition the one I received arrived in, as you can see GearBest had wrapped this in 3 layers of protective foam, which should have been good enough under normal transporting conditions:



    Next the R150 Mod, again, GearBest had protected this, using sufficient bubble wrap protection for normal transportation conditions, the fault is not GearBest's for the condition that these items arrived in.
    I place the blame squarely on FedEx's shoulders for the rough handling during transport, no package can be bubble wrapped enough for if the transport company workers decide to play football with your package.
    The R150 Mod comes in a rather unique wood (possibly bamboo or balsa) gift box, this would make a nice decorative box for storing small parts or something, if you wanted to & if yours arrives in better condition than the one FedEx delivered:



    Credit goes to Hotcig, that the mod itself survived & was undamaged, the way it was packed inside the box ensured that rough handling during transport did not see it arrive DOA. I am also confident, the material (wood) of the box itself probably played a part in protecting the mod, a cardboard or plastic box may not have fared so well.





    Yes that is glass from the Drip Tip vial, inside the mod's box.

    After cleaning the loose glass & other debris, the contents inside the box could be finally revealed. Inside you will find the R150 mod, a warranty card, a user manual & a rather nice braided, gold flecked USB cable - the picture does not do the cable justice, it is one of the classiest looking USB cables I have seen.





    The Abalone shell on the sides of this mod & on the matching Drip Tip just ooze class!
    For the price this pairing can be picked up for (under $100Au, on sale), it is a a steal, this device looks every bit as good as, some far more expensive, high end mods.




    IN USE:

    The R150 boasts a waterproof chip but Hotcig warn not to use the mod when wet.
    Unlike mods that have a waterproof housing, the R150's chip (I suspect the entire PCB) is waterproof, which means if it gets wet, it is not going to hurt the electronics on the main chip board but this does not mean it won't cause problems if the mod is wet & you try to use it.


    Photo taken By HotCig during their own testing

    For example, water in the battery compartment is likely to cause a short circuit between the batteries, this could be very dangerous.
    What this feature does though, is it ensures that should ejuice get onto the chip, from a leaky atomiser etc, then the mod is going to continue to function fine. Ejuice on electronics is not a good combination, just like other electronic devices & any liquids, they don't mix & will likely damage your device. With this waterproofing feature, Hotcig engineers have put some thought into protecting the device from the possibility of leaking ejuice.

    The R150 has a Wattage mode, Ni, Ti, SS & Ww Temp Control modes. Exactly what Ww mode is, is not explained in the user manual or on the Hotcig site, some other experienced users have speculated that this is a Tungsten TC mode, for use with ceramic coated Tungsten coils.
    When you get the mod & install batteries, it will be in Wattage mode, which has a range from 1W up to 150W.



    This is the mode the majority of testing was done in & in this mode it functions like many other VW devices, if you hold either of the up/down buttons the wattage increases in 0.1 increments & scrolls very fast, much faster than practical for general use. The best way to adjust the wattage is to scroll close to your desired setting then click the up or down button several times to dial it in.
    Holding both the up & down button at the same time will lock the wattage, so when you accidentally click the up or down button, the wattage will not change when locked.

    The instructions in the manual are not very clear (throughout in fact), on how to get into the TC modes but you need to lock the wattage, then hold the up botton for a few seconds, then rapidly click the up button & you will see the different modes come up on the screen, when you see the TC mode or Wattage (Power) mode you want, click the fire button & the device will be in that mode. This will be confirmed when you look at the screen, as you will now have either a wattage display or a temperature display, with the mode the device is in lit up below that.



    With the limited amount of testing done in SS TC mode, the TC function seemed to be working fine. When you enter a TC mode the temp will be in degrees F ranging from 200F - 600F, if you hold the + or - button to scroll past those temp limits, it will jump into degrees C, with a range from 100C to 300C.
    To change the wattage for your TC mode, you will need to go back into power mode & make the adjustment, so it is best to set this before going into the TC mode you want.
    Once in TC mode, you can hold the + & - buttons to lock the temperature, so you won't accidentally bump those buttons & change the temperature setting.

    This mod does have upgradeable firmware & there is a firmware update for it but I was unable after an hour or more of trying to update the firmware. Not that I needed a firmware upgrade, the mod is working fine for me just how it is but I wanted to see how difficult it was to upgrade. I tried to follow all the steps correctly, several times but I was unable to uncompress the .DFU file. Maybe this needs a Mac to work, I really don't know but I don't see a problem with the firmware it has, rather than brick the mod I gave up.

    The 510 connection has a gold plated positive pin, which is spring loaded, with stainless steel negative threads. It is mounted flush to the top of the mod, so all your toppers are going to sit flush on the mod.
    The placement is centered between the left & right sides & an equal distance from the screen's side.
    The maximum size atomiser that I would use on it is 25mm diameter, which will be flush to the sides of the mod but because the edges of the mod are rounded, it will have a small gap between the mod & the tank, you won't have this problem with 22mm atties & with 23mm atties you almost do not see a gap. However, using the Limitless Plus with it's 25mm diameter on top of this mod does not look out of place at all, the sides of the mod line up with the outer of the RDTA, the small gap where they meet is barely noticeable.

    When you first put a new atomiser onto the mod & try to fire the device it will ask you if it is a new or old coil.
    This is great if you are using TC modes, though it isn't needed for using the mod in Power mode but it isn't a big deal, just press the up or down button & then the device will fire. If you don't click up or down buttons, you will not be able to vape until you do.

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    BATTERY SLED & ACCESS:
    The battery sled on this mod, is my least favorite feature of the device.
    First, a WARNING - make sure you put your batteries in the correct way into this mod!!!
    Thankfully, the positive & negative terminals are clearly marked, with the springy terminals at the negative end, where you would intuitively expect them to be.



    Unfortunately though, this mod does not appear to have reverse polarity protection, so there is a good chance that if you install your batteries incorrectly, that you may short out the electronics or damage your batteries. Hotcig has put a warning inside the mod's sled about this.
    Clearly marked inside the sled is "Warning parallel", this does not mean install your batteries in parallel, this mod is designed to use batteries in series & if you look at the terminal markings it is clear which way to place your batteries into the mod.



    There is no ribbon to help you remove the batteries when they need recharging, instead both the side panels of the mod are removable & held on by 4 magnets each, one in each corner. To lift the panels, slide your thumb nail into the bottom edge of the side panels and lift up or you could use a small screwdriver or knife etc if you have no thumb nail.



    With the panels off, there are 2 cut outs that allow you to push the batteries out from the back to the front, be careful not to push too hard & have you battery drop onto the floor, placing your other hand over the front of the battery compartment is a good idea.

    The batteries are held in place on the negative terminals with dimpled springy clamps. These work fine for making connection but when removing your batteries, they will cause damage to the protective wrap on your battery.
    This is a brand new battery, after being removed once, which had never been used except for the first time in this mod.



    As you can see, after just one use in this mod, there is already signs of damage, this may be a huge con for some of you. However finding new wraps for your batteries is not difficult and it pays to keep some around for if/when needed. Although it must be said, Hotcig could have used a better battery sled design, with better positive & especially better negative terminals.

    Also there was some play in the batteries, when shaking the mod about, not really rattle but I could sometimes feel the batteries shift inside. This was easily solved by using a thin strip of foam packing material, which GearBest had provided, wrapped around the Drip Tip bottle.
    I Simply cut a piece the width & length of an 18650 battery & after placing one cell into the sled put the foam in then insert the other cell. After applying this fix, the batteries are held in tight & do not shift around.





    While you may not want to change the look of this mod, Hotcig has given you the option to change the side panels, which can make the mod look completely different.
    These photos were taken from the Hotcig site, to give you an idea of the available options, which Hotcig say they will be expanding.





    Here are some pictures I took of the mod in sunlight, to try to show just how good it looks but they pale in comparison to how this mod looks in your hand & up close.








    FINAL THOUGHTS:
    I am a little conflicted about this mod, there are some big cons about it, especially in the battery sled but I love the class that this mod exudes.
    It's finish is top notch, the black coating is holding up extremely well, I have been using this now for around four weeks, I wear a lot of rings & there is not a single scratch on the housing.
    The mod feels very solid, like you'd expect from a high quality device, it's very compact for a dual battery mod & sits comfortably in the hand due to the rounded edges.

    The Abalone shell side panels are undoubtedly what make this mod look high class, the matching Abalone Drip Tip just adds to that class.
    Having the option to change the side panels for a complete new look is nice also but you may have to contact Hotcig Shenzhen Hot Technology Co., Ltd. to find them & see what they have available.

    Overall I give this mod a thumbs up but with reservations, be sure you learn about battery safety before using this mod, then be diligent about battery safety when changing out the batteries & then this mod may make you a very happy vaper.
    Also keep some spare 18650 battery wraps handy, as you will likely need them.
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    Dont mean to cause trouble or controversy- But I am genuinely curious about the difference between a paid review like this where items are sent free or money changes hands vs one where a reviewer has gone out and bought their own mod?

    Im not attacking and appreciate all your writing in return for this mod and realize this is a great way to get free stuff and that you have been up front with being given this mod for free- but having been the receiver of bad or over rated products before on reviews that have been paid for by the manufacturer

    Im really just genuinely curious about your thoughts on the subject?
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    Rebel, it's a good question but...

    A "I bought it" review in most people's minds automatically means unbiased and honest, which is rarely the case and more likely to be biased if the product is expensive and flawed.

    Say XYZ doohickey costs $50, has a few small warts but is generally good. You tell others about it so they might know about it's good points and bad points and make their own decision based upon that helpful review.

    ABC doohickey by comparison does the same job as XYZ, but costs $150 and has the same warts. There may be a very real chance that whoever bought it might feel they've been hard done by, but want a second opinion. They may be completely gregarious and detail the warts in full and recommend against ABC because at that price, those warts shouldn't be present. But they may want gratification and justification from others because if ABC cost $150, it must be worth it, right? And if others jump on my bandwagon, then I must have got something good and those warts can't be helped. Right? RIGHT???

    Sounds mad, happens all the damned time.

    A reviewer who's built up a reputation of solid and honest reviewing (and even those who flower everything can write between the lines) and has been given a product for review has not bought into that product, so the $$$ aspect is diminished. If said reviewer will tell it like it is, then chances are most stuff they get to review will stand up to that kind of scrutiny because anything that fall flat probably won't be sent, and if it offered for review, it won't be sent again unless the supplier is equally honest and stand up and is willing to take a hit to improve the product.

    It's less a case of whether a product was supplied free or the review was paid for than who's doing the reviewing. The whole $$$ aspects rests on the reviewer's shoulders, their reputation and it's not something that can be built up quickly, it takes time and also means occasionally sticking the boots into something if it's not up to scratch.

    Find a good reviewer and you should be able to trust what they say and will also learn to read what they're writing between the lines. Nowadays reviewer types are much easier to find, they have a much wider audience and that audience has much easier access to what a reviewer type might like to mention. It's also a lot more common that reviewers disclose completely how the product was procured in a show of openness and honesty, both of which their reputation relies upon.

    That's my take on it. I'm not one to BS about something to sell it, even though the competition for my business resort to it all the time and have done so for years, so while my assessment could be biased, if anything I'm biased against something I can make a quid on because if someone buys something from me based on my suggestion, it better deliver more than promised or I look like a liar.

    This kind of attitude doesn't always sit well with some people, and I know it's cost me business in the short term. Long term, it's done me no harm at all. It has cost some people an awful lot of money to prove me correct though...

    (No, I will not mention what that 'other world' is for any reason. To push my own interests out of place is completely against my character and offends me if it's ever been suggested that I have done so. It has been suggested in the past, and again short term hurt me. Long term, no harm done at all.)

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    Thankyou Schtoo for you answer it was good of you to take the time to do this

    For transparency sake - after learning alot about modern journalism and having been in the vaping community for a long time now - I personally completely ignore most written reviews unless its a 'real person' who has just gone out and bought the thing and just letting people know. Simply because there is not that benefit of instant trust that video makers or 'real people' are able to achieve-


    Written also comes across as a sales sheet to me personally, moreso than say a video reviewer who has the benefit of instant trust with their audience and really anyone can write a sales sheet...

    (Umm not that I am picking holes in this - I really really am not- its a nice review and some real time put into it - I just wasnt sure where else to post the question)

    On the flip side an audience gained is easily lost where video reviewers are concerned - like you said it seems the trust is on the reviewers shoulders .. kinda like the riptrippers saga...

    There was some great advice and interesting points in your post and am glad that you as someone with experience in this has taken the time to answer a dull question- well to me its not that dull - I am really quite curious about the sales trust relationship thing and this is one aspect of that and think I will want to learn more ...

    Thanks again Schtoo

    You have a great night
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    Oh and before I forget .. my sincere apologies Noe I didnt mean to crash your thread - As I have said it is a good review and was just curious - I will refrain form doing it again
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    Noe has been doing this for a while.... never known him to blown sunshine up bad gears butt

    And if he did id be about the first person to call bs

    From the last paragraph:

    FINAL THOUGHTS:
    I am a little conflicted about this mod, there are some big cons about it
    Actually just read the last paragraph.

    I do not know how thats not unbiased
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    Quote Originally Posted by rebelagainstthemachine View Post
    I am genuinely curious about the difference between a paid review like this where items are sent free or money changes hands vs one where a reviewer has gone out and bought their own mod?
    Quote Originally Posted by Schtoo View Post
    It's less a case of whether a product was supplied free or the review was paid for than who's doing the reviewing. The whole $$$ aspects rests on the reviewer's shoulders, their reputation and it's not something that can be built up quickly, it takes time and also means occasionally sticking the boots into something if it's not up to scratch.

    Find a good reviewer and you should be able to trust what they say and will also learn to read what they're writing between the lines.
    I do not give good reviews unless the product is deserving of the praise. My loyalty is to other vapers, who will use the products, not to the suppliers of those products.

    Free gifts do make us happy & may influence how we feel about a company but the thing is I am not reviewing the company when a vendor sends me something to review, I am reviewing a product made by another company.
    I think I am doing the company that sent me the product to review, as well as other vapers, a dis-service by not being completely honest about the product.
    If I give the product the Thumbs up & do not believe in the product, then the vendor reads my review thinking it is a good product as reviewed by an experienced vaper & uses that info to order in more of the same, then no one likes it or buys it, then I have cost them a lot of $ because they will have to dump the stock or heavily discount it to get rid of it.
    Besides that, my reputation is at stake & I will not make false claims to bolster someones sales, my integrity is more important to me.

    I think this particular review, highlights the fact that I try to keep a balanced perspective in my reviews.
    The battery sled is a big con for this device & I go into detail about the battery sled, rather than simply giving it a "gloss over" mention. I also point out the Pro's of this mod, that is the essence of a balanced review, pointing out the pros & cons, while trying not to miss anything.
    When I write my reviews, I try to put myself in the shoes of someone that has just bought it after reading my review & I read my review before posting. If I feel like that person is going to be disappointed with the information I provided, then I rewrite or add more information, I try to give the reader a sense of what the device is really like before they make a decision to purchase or not.

    I really see no difference between a review made by someone that purchased a device or someone that recieved a device free to review, if in both cases the reviewer is being honest & giving a balaced review, then I am getting the information I need to help me decide if the device is something i want to buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rebelagainstthemachine View Post
    For transparency sake - after learning alot about modern journalism and having been in the vaping community for a long time now - I personally completely ignore most written reviews unless its a 'real person' who has just gone out and bought the thing and just letting people know. Simply because there is not that benefit of instant trust that video makers or 'real people' are able to achieve-
    I think you are comparing apples to oranges a little here. Journalists write for a living, they get paid to write, while a free product given for a review may be seen as a kind of payment it is not really the same thing.
    Jounalists accept cash, I would not accept cash to do a review.
    In my mind, a free product is not payment, it is an opportunity to test a device I otherwise could not afford to test.
    I am a vaper myself & if the product is crap then I am going to be disappointed with it & I will write that disappointment into my review, by the same token if a device excites me, I will write that into the review.
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    Lol like you say apples and oranges and both are taxable incomes - but thankyou Noe also for your perspective

    Much appreciated

    Oh and apologies again for going off topic with your thread...
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